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the Army Air Forces has announced that

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applying disc has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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game is rigs change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide to Advantage

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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in the church

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I need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on The Game Changer MetLife

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all right here we go Fade to Black

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bespoke radio

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yeah man how you doing today is Tuesday

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I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is Fade to Black for kjcr the game

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changer and unex networks

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race Hobbs I am your host Timmy Church

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how you show guests Big Time Steve

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Murillo is here

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we're going to be talking about the

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current state of ufology

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nobody better than Steve morillo

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tomorrow night right here on this

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program Cheryl Costa joins us

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we're going to be talking about the

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mythical

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daily UFO hotspot

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that's tomorrow night with Cheryl Costa

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Thursday's another fader night with open

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lines all night long all right I had a

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great time last night

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uh talking about aliens and exoplanets

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that was a lot of fun and how did I get

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here I'm going to talk a little bit

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about that in just a bit

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um it all involves Steve Murillo oddly

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enough but uh I'm gonna get around to

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that

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um and you know last Monday you know

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last night doing these solo shows is a

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lot of fun for me and I'm just getting

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my mind out and it's a it's a huge

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huge release it feels awesome so I don't

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know I I I I can I could I could do that

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four nights a week to be honest with you

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and do another thousand shows not a

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Thursday's fader night and I'm gonna

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and uh said hello to everybody this is

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going to be a great show tonight and

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we got on the air all of that I'll talk

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a little bit more about that in just a

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news you know last night I was talking

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about space telescopes talking about the

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James Webb uh spent a lot of time on

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that last site

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and today we've got James Webb breaking

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news the James Webb Space tele telescope

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has almost completed commissioning and

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will release its first operational

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images next week on July 12th next comes

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a program of early science its first

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mission including an investigation of

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the trapezium cluster in the Orion

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I'm so excited about Orion right pretty

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interesting it's uh 1 350 light years

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from Earth I talked a lot about light

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years and planets and exoplanets and

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galaxies and things and and how far away

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from our star system this cluster is

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packed with gas and dust and includes

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000 young Stars infants toddlers jammed

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into an area just four light years

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here comes a sneeze

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the mute I was quick on the cough button

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it should be called a sneeze button web

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it detects infrared light emitted by The

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observed objects and peers through the

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dust and even detects bodies that are

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not that hot for the first time we are

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to witness star birth in high definition

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this is going to be incredible Orion

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its first mission very cool now

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octopuses

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in the news

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you know everybody says how smart they

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are that's it I I will not eat octopus

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anymore I will not touch calamari that's

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squid but it's still right I'm not gonna

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do it no tentacles in me

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they're smart they're as smart as humans

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and we know this

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right octopuses decorate their homes

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with coins they find in shipwrecks I

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find that incredible well we know

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they're brainy we know they're smart we

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know they're sophisticated now

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scientists have uncovered a clue that

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may partly explain their remarkable

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its genes have a genetic marker that is

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also seen in Us in humans in homo sapien

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sapien all of this in a new study the

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clues that scientists uncovered are

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jumping genes I bet you didn't know that

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did you they're also called

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transposons and they make up 45 of the

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human genome what are they well jumping

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genes are short sequences of DNA with

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the ability check this to copy and paste

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that's right they can even cut and paste

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they do all of this themselves and they

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that two species of octopus also have

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genomes that are filled with transposons

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all of this is published right now in

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and that is incredible and you know

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octopuses are aliens you know that right

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okay it was announced today

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happened yesterday

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Capstone has gone dark

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that's right it was on a mission to the

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moon the 50 pound microwave oven-sized

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cubesat NASA is pro but seized

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communicating with its handlers

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yesterday on July 4th shortly after it

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deployed successfully from rocket Labs

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Photon spacecraft bus and began its long

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rocket lab electron booster on June 28th

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last week and spent nearly a week in

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Earth orbit spiraling farther and

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farther away from our planet via

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occasional Photon engine Burns and

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successfully separated from the

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spacecraft bus and began flying freely

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towards the moon when things just went

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silent yesterday and nobody knows why

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they're trying to get communication

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established again they say that there's

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enough fuel there to park out there in

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space for a little bit and cruise around

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for a few days

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but it may be over

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totally bummed it's this big this big

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little cubesat

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all right Russia

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back in the news

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it's not a it's not a damn Fade to Black

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without a Russian story and now I'm

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going to give you this gift

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Russian lawmakers earlier today

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approved a bill providing for stricter

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penalties for foreign internet companies

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that fail to open an office

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in Russia all of this includes fines

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are you scared

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Moscow has long sought to exert greater

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control over technology firms but it's

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it's not working and it's not going to

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work and disputes over content and data

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have intensified since armed forces were

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sent into Ukraine on February 24th

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foreign social media Giants with more

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or risk penalties ranging up to outright

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are you scared

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well here's the update

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as of today nobody cares

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Discord twitch telegram Pinterest

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Wikipedia and any other tech company

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with over 500 000 daily users

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have taken no steps to comply and

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they're not going to

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let's get this show cracking on this day

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in history

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and it was a bigon

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1954.

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Elvis Presley records

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that's all right Mama he does it at Sun

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Records in Memphis Tennessee

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and The Rock and Roll Revolution

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began

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on this day July 5th

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1954. there you go that's a big I

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haven't seen Elvis yet

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I hear it's fantastically great and

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unbelievable nobody has said anything

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negative about the movie except for the

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I'm gonna spill my coffee they did too

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sexually suggestive dancing

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Elvis moves his hips no kidding

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I couldn't believe I've read that movie

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review so funny all right here's your

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I didn't know this by the way and I

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I went and read all of the uh the press

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and the media on this

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I I didn't know so I'm going to share

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this with you back in 1996

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a group of UFO Hunters

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from Long Island New York

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led by a retired Court bailiff

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had stolen radioactive materials and

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planned to assassinate Suffolk County

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politicians with deadly toothpaste

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that's right all of this to expose the

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existence

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of aliens

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that's right that's fader fact right

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there

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radioactive toothpaste

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oh man tonight we welcome very special

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guests back on this program my good

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friend your good friend Steve Murillo is

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here we're going to be discussing the

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current state of ufology tomorrow night

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Cheryl Costa joins us she is amazing and

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tomorrow night we're going to be talking

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about the mythical daily UFO hotspot

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that's right where is it all of that

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tomorrow night Thursday is another fader

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night with open lines all night long now

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let me hit this River Moon coffee

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extra special today

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well you can't see it now it's melted

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this is one of those things you know

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I like the Dunkin Donuts sugar uh pure

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sugar uh creamer really good you know

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cream creamer sweet cream Dunkin Donuts

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it's really good and uh and it was there

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and I opened up the refrigerator I was

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reaching for it right next to it

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ready whip extra creamy right now I was

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like yeah

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yeah I'm doing ready with

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but you know it melts

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so good

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um

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yep promo code f2b blend that's all you

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got to do 15 off of your order today

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pretty good deal for the best coffee in

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the world there is no coffee better

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there's good coffee out there there's

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coffee almost as good you know it's it's

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good you know there's a lot of good

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coffee roasters out there not as good as

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River moon but

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it's pretty good but it's not better and

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you can get the best coffee in the world

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right now rivermoonwellness.com also

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visit the Amazon store free shipping all

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right all right

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rivermoonwellness.com Fade to blackplan

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I thought a sneeze was coming I don't

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know what's going on I don't know what's

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going on

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15 years ago

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I went to my first mufon meeting here in

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Los Angeles

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now at the time

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mufon Los Angeles the biggest move-on uh

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group in the world

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was run by tonight's guest Steve Murillo

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and

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I didn't know what to expect when I got

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something was missing in my life

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yeah

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four years

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I kept my UFO interest and research

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private I did

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I only really I mean like really

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discussed it with a few friends over

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decades

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you know and probably because

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nobody really brought it up with me

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first

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right

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seriously

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and I wasn't gonna do it who's gonna

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talk first about UFOs with somebody that

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you haven't talked to UFOs with before

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who's going first right today it's a

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little bit easier yeah I get that but

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but 20 30 years ago nah

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nah

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no no no no

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no Captain to myself and I remember

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having a little party at my house back

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in 1995 when the alien autopsy video was

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released I bought that thing for 75

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bucks ordered it from Tower Records true

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story

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I had to wait for that thing to get

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delivered so going to Tower every day is

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uh my UFO video here alien autopsy uh

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not yet okay I'll be back tomorrow and

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finally it came in and I sat on it for a

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couple of days I didn't watch it and I

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invite some friends over to my house and

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and I would do that Friday and Saturday

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nights Saturday nights was like boxing

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and uh but it was just a reason to get

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together and I invited uh five six

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friends over maybe eight ordered pizza

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did that kind of stuff and uh

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we watched the video

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now it wasn't because they had an

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interest in the subject

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um that didn't matter

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it was a reason for a get-together

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and we watched the video

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all right now

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uh I did this for a few different things

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when uh movies were released and and

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videos were released and stuff uh it

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doesn't matter could be a film

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Independence Day kill whatever you know

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what I would have friends come over and

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we would watch uh science fiction and

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and other stuff this was one of those

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nights but

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their reaction to the alien autopsy

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video was a pretty big letdown

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and uh just as much as the video Itself

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by the way but but

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everyone came to the same conclusion and

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shut me down they said you know you know

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stuff like this is always BS man

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yeah right and I just dropped 75 large

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75

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1995 large of that video man that was it

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was a big chunk of money to me but in

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the in a weird way

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I was embarrassed

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about the subject of UFOs so I couldn't

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you know I decided that night uh not to

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talk about UFOs not to take this further

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we talked about golf we talked about

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sport we talked about everything but

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UFOs after that and I wasn't going to

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bring up uh oh by the way I've got more

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videos you know I've got uh a collection

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uh stashed no I wasn't gonna do it you

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know so I ended up keeping to myself

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and then I went uh 10 years later uh I

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went to a party at Wolf McCarron's house

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uh here in the valley I've known wolf uh

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for many many many many many years going

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back to the 80s and uh so we go over to

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his house and the friend of ours had

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come in from out of town and and wolf

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had a bar and uh outside and it was cool

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we had a a ton of people over and the

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subject

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comes up about UFOs and I don't know how

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it happened but wolf tells me and I

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never knew this

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that he was one of the original guys out

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at Area 51 back in 89 and 90 that was

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videotaping out there with everybody

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else for the first time you know the Bob

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Lazar era I was like what you're into

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UFOs yes and and suddenly he talked

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about it first and now I'm talking about

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UFOs but wolf

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also

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was a mufon member

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and

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continued to talk about UFOs this is way

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before Fade to Black and uh invited me

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over to a move-on meeting uh and that

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happened about a year later so I walked

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in

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and I didn't know what to expect

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but what what I did find

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surprised me and it changed my life in

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that there was people there like me

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I didn't have to worry about bringing up

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UFOs it was already being talked about

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conversations over here conversations

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over here I'm listening in and I meet

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Steve marillo now I continued

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uh to attend mufon meetings and hanging

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out with Steve and Alex mastretta and

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and wolf and we became friends when we

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became you know like a family that

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exists to this day but

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through that and being allowed to talk

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about the subject with with researchers

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and people that had a huge interest

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invested in and and I was able to just

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speak my mind and that's how Fade to

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Black happened

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I decided I was doing sports at the time

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and I had decided

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uh to do this

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and I invited Steve marillo and wolf

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McCarron over to my house

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and I said I've got this idea

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do you guys think it's a good one should

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we do it and we sat for a few hours that

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night we had dinner we had drinks and we

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talked through it and we laid out the

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ideas of Fade to Black and the reason I

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am here today stems all the way back to

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the mid-2000s when I went to my first

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move-on meeting that was run by Steve

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Murillo and Steve at that time had been

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running mufon for 10 11 12 13 years

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something like that and uh and I had a

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huge amount of respect for for not only

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his

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um knowledge of the subject but how he

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was able to get people together big big

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big

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meetings every single month or we could

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just sit around and talk about this

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subject and so when I decided to do Fade

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to Black it was Steve that I turned to

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uh to get his advice on that and of

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course who was my first guest on Fade to

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Black it was Steve marillo almost 10

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years ago

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he is one of my closest friends he's

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somebody who is part of this community

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and this family but he is also somebody

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that I value conversation with and

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that's why he is here tonight during

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this most important time this turning

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point in ufology and the subject of

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contact aliens visitation and sightings

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and UFOs we're going to do all of that

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tonight with Steve Murillo I am your

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host Jimmy church this is Fade to Black

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on the unex and Game Changer networks

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race Hobbs I'll be right back after this

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short break with our guest Steve Morello

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we haven't done video with Steve since

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and we stopped I was like videos too

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much work I'll be right back after this

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short break wow how times have changed

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[Music]

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this is Nicole Church daughter of you

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know who and you're listening to fade to

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black on jimmychurchradio.com and The

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thank you

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all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I

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am your host Jimmy church tonight Steve

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Murillo is back

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tonight we're going to have a

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conversation about the current state of

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ufology nobody better

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attended the United States Naval Academy

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we're going to be talking about that

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tonight where he received his Bachelor

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of Science degree in systems engineering

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back in 1982 he was a commissioned an

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officer in the Marine Corps attended

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flight school and served for seven years

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of active duty as a Jet Pilot and

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maintenance officer for his Squadron

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after the Marine Corps he went to TRW

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where he became the power subsystem

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engineer for a satellite program known

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as the tdrss and about a year later

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Steve was elected to replace the

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outgoing State section director Don

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Waldrop Steve held this position for 13

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years conducting field investigations

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and monthly meetings until the end of

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June 2013. Steve now heads up to you

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parse La the UFO paranormal research

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Society Los Angeles chapter he and his

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group investigate all the things UFO and

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paranormal and have monthly meeting

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beings well the pandemic happened right

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here in Studio City California his

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website of course is uparsla.org and I

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would like to welcome back to fade to

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black the one and only

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Steve Murillo Steve my man how you doing

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Jimmy Church how are you buddy how are

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you I hope my mic's not too hot how you

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doing no you're you're fine you're fine

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all right good to be back we think it's

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been a couple of years Jim yeah well see

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this is this is what's strange you and I

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hang out you right all the time and so

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the show is like secondary and and you

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and I uh are constantly together and and

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conversing

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um and but but welcome back and there's

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so much to talk about tonight and and I

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was sitting here thinking Steve as I was

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uh doing my opening monologue tonight

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it's really hard to believe

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how many

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things have happened to the two of us

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experiences experiences yes yes and can

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you tilt your your computer down just a

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little bit there you go like like about

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like that yeah I want to see the I want

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a buddy of mine got me this and he's a

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an orthopedic surgeon he took his son to

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a lacrosse camp at the Naval Academy and

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just out of the kindness he saw the

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shirt you know the kindness of his heart

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he picked it up for me and brought it

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back and I was like wow it's a nice

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shirt you know and yeah and you haven't

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tried yeah you haven't taken it off

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since

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you haven't watched it

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um this is uh for the audience

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um but uh I want to go through a few

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um our our not only friendship but but

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the respect that we have for each other

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um and I I don't want to do a full show

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on reminiscing but we could literally

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just talk about the crazy stuff that we

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have seen and gone through and that let

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me you know what that is a future show

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um but uh one of the coolest things and

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so the audience can understand this

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conversation that we're about to have

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um one of the coolest things that you

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and I did

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is we sat on the bow of a hundred foot

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research vessel out in the Pacific Ocean

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yes we did with uh 10 cameras a full

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crew catered right had a chef remember

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that yep yep a drone in the air but we

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had Thrones uh filming us uh with the

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sunset going down Dolphins right and and

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we just sat and talked and they taped us

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just having a conversation on on the

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deck of this massive boat and it's

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little things like that where

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um you and I you know we don't sit

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around and talk about this but I'll

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bring it up right now

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um and it's it's stuff like that that

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that this mutual respect I remember one

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day I was in the back of a limousine

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and uh SUV and and I'm on my way to uh

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the set for for taping and uh and you

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called me in the morning and it was he

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called me early you know and I was on my

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way to the set it's like 6 30 in the

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morning Steve calls me up Church Man

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Bigfoot I got Bigfoot cast

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I said what and I'm in the back of this

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limo you know I'm big timing it man I'm

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big timing it yeah they picked you up

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they sent the limo and picked you up and

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I said do you have the cast and he goes

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yeah I said hang on I called the head of

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the network

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and I said

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uh I want Steve marillo on the set today

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okay okay all right who's Steve Murillo

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they did right who is he it wasn't that

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no but yeah you know it's a small

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community they said yes to whatever I

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said right yeah so I'm big timing it and

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so later on that day

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urine makeup right you're on set and the

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and you you walk on you do a walk-on

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actually that was on set by like so I

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called you at 6 30. I was on set by I

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think 9 30 or 10 o'clock in the morning

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00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:47,700
in the morning but yeah it's things like

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00:42:53,569 --> 00:42:50,460
this Steve where we have worked together

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00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,579
uh over the years but you were also

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fundamental in the starting of Fade to

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Black and of course move on and you were

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00:43:05,630 --> 00:43:02,280
uh hugely responsible for pulling me

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into this community and so for all of

787
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:08,880
that uh I thank you you're my friend but

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00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,140
tonight's going to be an important

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00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:12,660
conversation uh region of you thanks and

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00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,000
I thank you Jim you know if you didn't

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00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,240
have that burning passion already you

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00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:20,160
know when we when you first came to that

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00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:21,540
meeting

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00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:26,099
be sitting here now I didn't do this you

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00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,780
did this and it's because of that

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00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:29,760
passion that you have it's burning

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00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:32,700
inside you and it drives you on so uh I

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appreciate and acknowledge that and I

799
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:35,700
think a lot of people do I think that's

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what comes through in your show the

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00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:40,859
authenticity of uh of it you know of

802
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,900
your interest there are other shows out

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there they're very big shows and the

804
00:43:49,309 --> 00:43:47,700
host is clearly not uh not interested

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00:43:51,290 --> 00:43:49,319
doesn't really believe does you know

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00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:51,300
he's not he he hasn't really had the

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00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:52,980
experiences and you know who I'm talking

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00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:54,839
about but you know you're you're

809
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:57,540
absolutely 180 degree opposite of that

810
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:58,920
you're in it

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00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:01,680
uh you put yourself in it and you live

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and breathe it so um you know I I

813
00:44:09,410 --> 00:44:07,260
appreciate that do you remember well I

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know you do let's but let's let's

815
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,980
recount the moment though that one of my

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favorite when people ask me about

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experiences

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00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:20,599
you know in sightings yeah

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this you and I we were out this is I

820
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think 2014 and we're out in Joshua Tree

821
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and we're in 29 Palms out uh I I rented

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a house that you get you rented right

823
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right and you're out in the middle of

824
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the doll out in the patio yep yep or

825
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:40,980
whatever it was it was like an area yeah

826
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:43,319
that was a it was a patio there was like

827
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a front patio yeah right right and and

828
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:48,720
so we're in the desert and so it's you

829
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:51,599
myself uh maybe eight or ten fate or not

830
00:44:58,430 --> 00:44:55,619
Alex was there and and uh and somebody

831
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,440
says it wasn't me it wasn't you but

832
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:01,440
somebody says would it be cool if we saw

833
00:45:05,809 --> 00:45:03,780
UFO right now and it was about it was

834
00:45:07,970 --> 00:45:05,819
like 11 o'clock at night maybe midnight

835
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,980
and where he it was late yeah we were

836
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,119
having drinks I think we were having

837
00:45:14,589 --> 00:45:11,520
some vodka and some beer and whatever

838
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:14,599
and everybody was having a good time

839
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:17,579
at that moment when somebody says

840
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:21,300
wouldn't it be cool if we saw a UFO

841
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,900
at that exact moment

842
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:27,119
this thing took off out of the desert

843
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,079
and and and went upward Direction

844
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,359
straight up into the Stars the whole

845
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:35,040
thing lasted what would you say two

846
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:38,040
seconds yes if that if that yeah

847
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:40,020
seconds seconds

848
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,060
and and how how incredible is that that

849
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:47,700
you and I again you know experienced

850
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:50,280
something like that together but I

851
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:54,780
remember you and I look again looking at

852
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,839
this thing take off and I've always

853
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,240
described it as a white ball of light

854
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:02,880
what do you remember yeah the same thing

855
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:06,119
kind of a solidish whitish ball of light

856
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:07,859
you know

857
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:12,839
seen them before yeah kind of like a

858
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:16,200
typical solid you know coherent ball of

859
00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:18,839
light boom shoots up in the sky and I

860
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:21,000
remember the next day

861
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:23,880
now when I woke up and thinking about

862
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,859
that and I walked out to see what was

863
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:27,359
that and there was nothing but desert

864
00:46:32,349 --> 00:46:29,940
man no there was no buildings there was

865
00:46:36,530 --> 00:46:32,359
no roads there was nothing it was just

866
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:36,540
uh Joshua trees Cactus and the mountain

867
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:40,500
in the background and I for I I still

868
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:43,140
scratched my head to this day

869
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:46,020
um it went went on cue right on cue it

870
00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:48,060
was on cue somebody made the comment and

871
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:49,319
boom it happened

872
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:53,400
and uh yeah so one of the things I want

873
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:56,700
to touch on tonight is all of this what

874
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:59,160
does it mean uh and you know how is it

875
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:00,839
related to us what is this phenomenon

876
00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:03,480
how does it relate to we as human beings

877
00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:06,300
what causes it how come

878
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:08,700
one tenth of of one percent of the

879
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,460
population or whatever the number is

880
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:12,720
gets to view these things and nobody

881
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:15,839
else does right what's going on

882
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:18,780
is is there

883
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:35,870
it's like an acknowledgment of the you

884
00:47:38,450 --> 00:47:36,780
know look

885
00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:38,460
the first setting I had you know the

886
00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:40,020
story the things that flew over my house

887
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,839
right back in what 2001. and I'll I

888
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:44,160
don't know if I've ever told you I think

889
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:46,380
I have told you this but

890
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,900
um looking back on that event you know I

891
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:50,640
was an engineer I was a very pragmatic

892
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:52,200
guy I didn't believe in this stuff and I

893
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,540
was standing on the rooftop of my deck

894
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:56,339
of my house it was during the day and I

895
00:47:58,910 --> 00:47:57,960
remember distinctly looking out at the

896
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:58,920
ocean

897
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,680
thinking about you if you know E.T

898
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:03,359
thinking about other life elsewhere

899
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,839
right for whatever reason and I said if

900
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:08,880
you're if you're out there

901
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,859
show yourself to me I mean I put out

902
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:12,960
that intention right I mean it was a

903
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:16,079
solid focused thought

904
00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:17,940
not expecting anything to happen of

905
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:19,859
course just putting it out there and

906
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:21,480
then I think it was just a couple weeks

907
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:23,940
later this I had this experience

908
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:27,900
and I you know over over the years of uh

909
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:29,880
interviewing people who have had this

910
00:48:34,370 --> 00:48:32,579
experience it's always profound and I'm

911
00:48:36,349 --> 00:48:34,380
always trying to figure out I've always

912
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:36,359
sort of found it's interesting

913
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:38,280
that okay they saw an object in the sky

914
00:48:41,809 --> 00:48:39,900
but yet they have this profound feeling

915
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:41,819
about it right

916
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,800
but I think that profound feeling is

917
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,359
caused by the interaction of

918
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:48,000
Consciousness between us and the thing

919
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:49,740
that we're quote unquote viewing

920
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,319
witnessing encountering experiencing

921
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:55,200
there's more to it than eyesight I guess

922
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:57,180
is what I'm saying something happens

923
00:49:01,849 --> 00:48:59,400
there's a conscious there's an exchange

924
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:01,859
of information invariably when you're

925
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,200
talking to a witness a UFO

926
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,200
witness of a UFO they'll say something

927
00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:09,359
like I felt like it was staring back at

928
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,119
me or I felt like I was Community there

929
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:14,880
was some feeling of communication

930
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,380
and

931
00:49:21,470 --> 00:49:19,200
um that's almost always invariably when

932
00:49:24,109 --> 00:49:21,480
I when I speak to Witnesses who had a

933
00:49:26,290 --> 00:49:24,119
one-on-one or a two-on-one right this is

934
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,300
what they say they had some sort of

935
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:28,319
communication and that causes this

936
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,660
profound connection to the experience I

937
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:33,119
told you about that one guy who was

938
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:34,020
going around the United States

939
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:36,960
interviewing people like me right you

940
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:38,880
know move on and this and that he was

941
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:42,359
from Scotland and he was a community he

942
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:44,339
did commercials for a living mid good

943
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:47,460
money making commercials in Scotland he

944
00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:49,619
had had this profound experience on a

945
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:52,260
New Year's Eve when he was slam drunk he

946
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:53,400
had stepped out in the back of this

947
00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:54,839
Castle it was a big party he'd stepped

948
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:56,040
down the back of this Castle was looking

949
00:50:00,589 --> 00:49:58,380
up at the sky had a triangular shaped

950
00:50:02,270 --> 00:50:00,599
UFO I don't know if it was black shows

951
00:50:04,190 --> 00:50:02,280
up right in front of them

952
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,200
he's by himself on the back you know on

953
00:50:09,410 --> 00:50:06,240
this balcony or whatever staring at this

954
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:09,420
thing and then it like somebody cracks a

955
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:11,040
door or whatever is coming out it zooms

956
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:12,240
off

957
00:50:16,609 --> 00:50:14,700
and he's Stone sober he swears that

958
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,619
after the thing took off he was Stone

959
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:18,720
sober but he was slam drunk before that

960
00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:20,520
before the experience

961
00:50:25,549 --> 00:50:23,579
and he dropped everything in his life

962
00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:25,559
including leaving his wife there in

963
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:27,960
Scotland his family to do this

964
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:30,599
documentary and he spent a year or so I

965
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,740
don't know what became of him but that

966
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:33,119
was his thing and he came here to

967
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:35,460
Manhattan Beach and we sat and he shot

968
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,220
two two hours of video interviewing me

969
00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:40,800
and he his mission was to make people

970
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:43,020
know to let people know that these

971
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:45,000
things are real but see he had that

972
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:47,819
profound connection to it

973
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:49,980
you know that New Year's Eve and I think

974
00:50:53,630 --> 00:50:51,720
a lot of people have that experience I

975
00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:53,640
know that you've had that experience

976
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:56,579
I have and

977
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,180
um the the other part though uh you know

978
00:51:07,069 --> 00:51:01,920
speaking about you

979
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:07,079
is that you you go uh to the Naval

980
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:12,420
Academy that's a big deal right and uh

981
00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:16,319
you choose uh to go into the Marine

982
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:19,260
Corps and go to flight school and become

983
00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:23,579
a fighter pilot and that that uh that

984
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:27,180
automatically puts you in a category of

985
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:29,579
a professional and a professional

986
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:33,180
witness in that you're in Flight School

987
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:36,660
one of the things that you do in Flight

988
00:51:40,930 --> 00:51:37,800
School

989
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:40,940
is You observe and you identify

990
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:44,160
everything that is in the sky you know

991
00:51:49,370 --> 00:51:46,680
what you're looking at that's your job

992
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:49,380
right is to be a professional witness

993
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:52,440
right yeah you know every shape every

994
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:55,079
aircraft every I mean you know him as a

995
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:56,880
hobby you know him as your life you you

996
00:52:01,970 --> 00:51:58,920
know you know aircraft you know what

997
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:01,980
they're capable of right uh you know

998
00:52:05,569 --> 00:52:03,540
what the Soviets have at the time you

999
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:05,579
know what everybody else has and you you

1000
00:52:09,170 --> 00:52:07,260
know you can spot them a mile away so

1001
00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:09,180
yeah Pilots know what they're looking at

1002
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,859
and when they see something bizarre in

1003
00:52:14,589 --> 00:52:12,960
the sky they know it's not an aircraft

1004
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:14,599
you know when it's doing things like

1005
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,760
sitting in the middle of 120 miles an

1006
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,160
hour wind right 120 knots and it's just

1007
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,800
sitting but yet doesn't seem to have any

1008
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,960
propulsion they know that that thing is

1009
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,119
not a Jet right

1010
00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:30,000
so uh yeah yeah we're trained so I guess

1011
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:31,619
yeah we are trained observers and

1012
00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:34,319
there's no way around that now

1013
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,339
um I know that you didn't uh have a UFO

1014
00:52:42,650 --> 00:52:40,079
encounter while you were in the service

1015
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:42,660
when you were a pilot but let's let's

1016
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:45,240
speak hypothetically for a second let's

1017
00:52:50,809 --> 00:52:48,180
say that you did you're having a

1018
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,819
training Mission you're dropping

1019
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:53,280
ordinance you're doing your stuff right

1020
00:52:56,329 --> 00:52:54,660
yep

1021
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:56,339
um and and you see something in the sky

1022
00:53:02,390 --> 00:52:58,200
you see a UFO you see a flying sausage

1023
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:02,400
you see a triangle uh would you have

1024
00:53:07,609 --> 00:53:04,920
reported it would you have gotten on the

1025
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:07,619
radio what would you have done there was

1026
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,140
no set policy for that

1027
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,480
um but I can tell you what happened to

1028
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:15,119
guys who did talk about stuff A buddy of

1029
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:17,640
mine my my flight school roommate

1030
00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:20,460
he was at the rag you know I could say a

1031
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:22,500
term for like he was a newbie at a

1032
00:53:26,329 --> 00:53:24,000
squadron learning how to fly his

1033
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:26,339
aircraft which was an ov10 Bronco

1034
00:53:30,890 --> 00:53:29,400
and um one of my favorite planes by the

1035
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,900
way it's a great it's a great little

1036
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:32,000
plane right

1037
00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:34,740
good looking good looking little plane

1038
00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:37,500
too yeah so he's flying the Soviet 10 he

1039
00:53:41,569 --> 00:53:39,660
was on a training Mission he was

1040
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:41,579
um mostly what they say what they call

1041
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,260
under the back instrument ratings right

1042
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:45,599
so his the bags over the the cockpit the

1043
00:53:49,490 --> 00:53:47,700
canopy and then he's flying back the

1044
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:49,500
instructors in the back

1045
00:53:52,849 --> 00:53:51,240
hops over so they're you know the

1046
00:53:55,309 --> 00:53:52,859
training of it is over so they pull the

1047
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,319
bag back and now he's looking out he's

1048
00:54:00,530 --> 00:53:57,359
flying back to the base

1049
00:54:02,450 --> 00:54:00,540
Pendleton and it's you know daylight I I

1050
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,460
don't know exactly what time but maybe

1051
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:04,800
it was like 10 o'clock or two who knows

1052
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:08,640
so he's flying back and uh on his way

1053
00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:11,579
back to Pendleton I mean he describes

1054
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,900
this thing that looked like from The

1055
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,839
Jetsons crosses his path underneath but

1056
00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:17,280
maybe a thousand foot lower than his

1057
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:20,099
plane perpendicular to his path he said

1058
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,540
it looked just like something out of the

1059
00:54:25,309 --> 00:54:23,280
Jetsons and had a little cup you know a

1060
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:25,319
canopy to it and all that he didn't see

1061
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,900
any rivets to my knowledge but anyway so

1062
00:54:31,069 --> 00:54:29,520
he made the mistake of talking about

1063
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:31,079
this thing in the ready room when he

1064
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,480
when he landed and he was he was made

1065
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:36,000
fun of for a good month and a half until

1066
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:38,280
finally the guy in the back oh backseat

1067
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:39,359
guy didn't see it because he was looking

1068
00:54:42,770 --> 00:54:41,460
down at some charts he was like I don't

1069
00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:42,780
know he was doing he's looking down he

1070
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:45,059
wasn't looking out so we missed it

1071
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:48,000
anyway that guy about a month and a half

1072
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:48,900
later

1073
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:51,119
comes back to the ready room white as a

1074
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,200
sheet

1075
00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:54,839
and he says hey you know I I think I I

1076
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:57,000
saw his I saw his UFO

1077
00:54:59,690 --> 00:54:58,380
and then everybody stopped making fun

1078
00:55:01,309 --> 00:54:59,700
because he was an older you know he was

1079
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:01,319
a guy that had been in Squadron for a

1080
00:55:04,609 --> 00:55:03,180
while people respected so they stopped

1081
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,619
making fun of my buddy

1082
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:07,680
but uh yeah and that's what kind of that

1083
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:10,799
was back in the uh mid early mid 90s

1084
00:55:17,210 --> 00:55:15,180
early 90s early 90s so um you know back

1085
00:55:19,870 --> 00:55:17,220
then there was no set policy for this

1086
00:55:22,849 --> 00:55:19,880
stuff I had two other buddies who

1087
00:55:25,069 --> 00:55:22,859
claimed that they chased one in their F4

1088
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,079
Phantom this is how how old this is

1089
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:28,079
right this sighting they were vectored

1090
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,119
to chase this thing

1091
00:55:33,950 --> 00:55:31,920
and they made the mistake and then they

1092
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:33,960
were oh the LIE they have told us on on

1093
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:37,200
your show so they they chased it it flew

1094
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:38,819
off at a high speed they didn't get it

1095
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they got gun camera footage of this

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thing with their F4 Phantom they were

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directed to a hangar at Cherry Point

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00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:47,880
that was away from everybody else

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00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,740
they were made to sit there and wait

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while this somebody from the Pentagon or

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00:55:54,349 --> 00:55:53,579
somebody from Washington flew out in a

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jet

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00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:56,700
they took the gun camera footage from

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00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:58,440
those guys they told them this never

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happened don't talk about it and they

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00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:01,980
left you know these guys whoever they

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were left with the footage

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and these guys of course yeah they're

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Marines and the first thing they do is

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we all mute the O club on Friday night

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00:56:12,289 --> 00:56:11,339
and they get it they're getting hammered

1112
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:12,299
and they're just talk you know just

1113
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:13,619
talking about a minute about this thing

1114
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:15,480
everybody's laughing at them nobody

1115
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:17,339
thought nobody took it seriously you

1116
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,780
know it was sort of like it was just

1117
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:20,640
like a reason to joke around it really

1118
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,839
wasn't something where everybody's like

1119
00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:23,280
oh my God really

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you know they they just thought we just

1121
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:27,540
all thought it was interesting but it

1122
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,460
wasn't something that we were very

1123
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:31,200
involved in you know I mean nobody was

1124
00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:32,700
like jumping on that and going oh that's

1125
00:56:36,770 --> 00:56:34,440
that's a career move let me figure out

1126
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,780
what that what what happened there you

1127
00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:38,880
know it's like you know you tow the line

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00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:41,880
and you do your job that's about it now

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00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:44,160
um uh what we're gonna take a break here

1130
00:56:52,010 --> 00:56:46,980
in a minute but uh one of the things

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00:56:54,829 --> 00:56:52,020
that I enjoy uh doing with you uh is you

1132
00:56:59,329 --> 00:56:54,839
and I do Sky watches we do them all all

1133
00:57:02,270 --> 00:56:59,339
the time and uh we did one uh a few

1134
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:02,280
weeks ago uh here at the house and and

1135
00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:04,140
Steve always spends the night he comes

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00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:07,859
up with his uh his wife Pat and we stay

1137
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,980
out uh in in chairs with our night

1138
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,440
vision until the wee hours of the

1139
00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:15,839
morning but and we're looking for stuff

1140
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:17,819
and we see things that's cool but the

1141
00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:21,540
other thing that we do is we just talk

1142
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:25,380
we talk for hour Wars about the subject

1143
00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:28,740
of of UFOs and as we have this

1144
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:30,540
conversation it's always in the back of

1145
00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:33,359
my mind that

1146
00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:36,900
you're a U.S Naval Academy graduate

1147
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:41,579
you're a a former Marine fighter pilot

1148
00:57:47,329 --> 00:57:45,119
in that you're not just you know you

1149
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:47,339
know you're not somebody like me you

1150
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:50,220
know and your interest in this is is

1151
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,740
solid and real

1152
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:55,200
um did you ever see yourself you know

1153
00:57:58,609 --> 00:57:57,059
when you're on the flight line and

1154
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,619
you're prepping your plane and you're

1155
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,200
getting ready to take off that you've

1156
00:58:07,930 --> 00:58:04,079
Envision yourself uh never even thought

1157
00:58:10,730 --> 00:58:07,940
about it or even thought about UFOs

1158
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:10,740
right life was going to be running move

1159
00:58:19,849 --> 00:58:15,839
on right no yeah and TV shows yeah and

1160
00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:19,859
UFOs 24 hours a day right no never even

1161
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:21,900
thought about it never even considered

1162
00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:23,940
it you know back when I was a pilot it

1163
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,260
was all you know I thought it was just

1164
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:27,119
all Holcomb you know I mean it was just

1165
00:58:30,589 --> 00:58:28,980
nonsense it was just like you know

1166
00:58:32,569 --> 00:58:30,599
another like Bigfoot Bigfoot was

1167
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,579
nonsense you know if those were nonsense

1168
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:34,559
it was just all fun you know it was just

1169
00:58:40,450 --> 00:58:37,980
people having fun and now and that and

1170
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:40,460
now today you go squatching

1171
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:43,380
right I haven't been squashing but yeah

1172
00:58:48,349 --> 00:58:46,680
no but I do follow that phenomenon you

1173
00:58:49,789 --> 00:58:48,359
know I don't go squash and Jim because I

1174
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,799
don't want to I really don't want to

1175
00:58:52,569 --> 00:58:51,359
have that encounter I believe they're

1176
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:52,579
out there

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00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:55,740
the day you got yeah well that's true we

1178
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,420
did go squatching that one time that's

1179
00:59:02,809 --> 00:59:00,240
when we got the footprint but you know

1180
00:59:04,430 --> 00:59:02,819
I I didn't believe in Bigfoot when we

1181
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,440
went out there and found that footprint

1182
00:59:08,210 --> 00:59:06,480
I didn't believe in it I really didn't I

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00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,220
thought it was nonsense the reason I did

1184
00:59:17,049 --> 00:59:09,839
it was

1185
00:59:19,849 --> 00:59:17,059
uh the artist uh was with you Alex Smith

1186
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,859
it up yeah and it was it was going to be

1187
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,599
a basically it was a weekend vacation

1188
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:23,280
right it was we're going to Washington

1189
00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:26,099
Mount Adams and all that and I just saw

1190
00:59:30,289 --> 00:59:28,260
it as a fun trip I really I was just

1191
00:59:32,990 --> 00:59:30,299
doing it as a fun gig you know what I

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00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:33,000
mean uh a way to get out and see and be

1193
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:35,460
in nature and all that which is and it

1194
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,260
was it was Mount Adams and that whole

1195
00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:39,839
area is beautiful as you know and uh but

1196
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,599
I had no uh I had no expectation we were

1197
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:43,920
going to come across anything like that

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00:59:47,130 --> 00:59:46,799
crazy well you didn't call me at 6 30 in

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the morning

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00:59:54,170 --> 00:59:50,119
[Music]

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but the fighter pilot guy and this is

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00:59:58,609 --> 00:59:56,940
the way that I look at you Steve this is

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in my head all the time

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01:00:03,950 --> 01:00:01,640
is camping outside of Skinwalker Ranch

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you know you know calling me on the

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phone Church man we're here at the gates

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man we're here

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and we had some bizarre experiences

1209
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:12,180
there and when you talk about that at

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the break after the break whenever

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01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:15,960
that's coming up that that dessert that

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01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:19,440
that was bizarre how does a pragmatic

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flight school right car carrying Marine

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01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:29,280
turn into this I mean exactly it was all

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01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:32,520
from that one encounter that I had to

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01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:35,520
fly over my house it was like it was

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01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:38,579
like somebody took a crowbar and pried

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01:00:42,589 --> 01:00:39,900
my brain open

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01:00:43,970 --> 01:00:42,599
and cracked it open right and all of a

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sudden things that weren't supposed to

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be real and possible all sudden are real

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01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:47,579
impossible

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01:00:51,049 --> 01:00:49,799
and now you have to question your whole

1224
01:00:52,910 --> 01:00:51,059
Paradigm you have to question everything

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01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:52,920
about what you've been told you have to

1226
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,720
question physics I mean the first thing

1227
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:56,880
he seems dead was a maneuver that I knew

1228
01:01:00,410 --> 01:00:59,040
was impossible for a normal jet

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01:01:02,270 --> 01:01:00,420
that's the first thing they did they

1230
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flew over in silent formation they were

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01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,500
BR you know bright coherent light each

1232
01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:06,240
one and then when they did the little

1233
01:01:10,190 --> 01:01:08,220
maneuver they split off three of them

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01:01:11,650 --> 01:01:10,200
split off and the two kept going then

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01:01:14,089 --> 01:01:11,660
they joined up

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01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:14,099
instantaneously almost slid across the

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sky instantaneous I knew that was

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01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:18,720
impossible that was not something we

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01:01:21,789 --> 01:01:20,760
have the technology to reproduce we just

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01:01:25,069 --> 01:01:21,799
don't

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01:01:26,809 --> 01:01:25,079
and that one maneuver

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01:01:28,370 --> 01:01:26,819
you know besides whatever happened when

1243
01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:28,380
they were flying over my head who knows

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01:01:31,690 --> 01:01:30,299
what information see I had that

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connection that's what happened

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incredible incredible let's take our

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all right welcome back Sage of black I

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am your host Jimmy church tonight Steve

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Murillo is with us

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Grand mufon La the largest chapter moved

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on for 13 years former Marine Corps

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epars La the UFO and paranormal research

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group and tonight we're discussing the

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current state of ufology and now a

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couple of things uh just happened and

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before we get to those I want to of

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course discuss these uh lights that were

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seen up and down the coast of California

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all the way to Mexico

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but before we do as a fighter pilot did

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you ever drop flares

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01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:49,859
um yes

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01:08:54,890 --> 01:08:52,500
did you ever you did yeah but they're

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01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,900
not the kind of flares that sit in the

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01:08:59,570 --> 01:08:56,239
sky for an hour

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01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:59,580
a whole lot well that's what we're gonna

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sow

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01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:05,100
um when the subject of flair I I feel

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like this is like a deposition so let me

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01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:10,279
let me be an attorney here for a second

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so uh if you have experience with flares

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Steve

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um uh would you consider yourself uh

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01:09:26,749 --> 01:09:22,980
somebody that knows something about this

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01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:26,759
subject I would say yes you would know a

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01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:29,400
little bit about that subject and and

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01:09:38,329 --> 01:09:34,080
when you typically uh drop a flare

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01:09:40,430 --> 01:09:38,339
how long does it stay in the air and how

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does it stay in the air

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okay there are a couple types of flares

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uh the type of flare you might fire off

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from your aircraft is a very short-lived

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01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,179
flare it might last for seconds like

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five seconds they don't and they they

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just burn out they're just flashes of

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light they're meant to distract a

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missile that might be approaching the

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aircraft

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then there are the other kind of flares

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that you might shoot off if you're uh

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fighting on the ground so it's night

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01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,780
okay it's pitch black you've got enemy

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01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:11,280
aggressing on you you want to see where

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01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:13,260
they are so what do you do you take your

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01:10:19,130 --> 01:10:16,679
mortar or your uh your weapon and you

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01:10:20,810 --> 01:10:19,140
fire off these flares that shoot maybe

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two or three hundred feet in the air and

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01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:23,640
come down in parachutes now those might

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last 30 seconds 40 seconds maybe a

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01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:29,460
minute if they burn long enough you know

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01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:31,380
but they're on a parachute so of course

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01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:32,640
they're coming down and they're they're

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01:10:37,610 --> 01:10:35,520
Guided by the wind they float down and

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01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,620
uh you know and they illuminate the

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01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:40,320
battlefield yeah and they give off a

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01:10:44,689 --> 01:10:42,060
kind of a yeah and and the the

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01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:44,699
illumination is not uniform if you

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because you know if a picture of flare

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that you throw on the road when you have

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a car when you have car trouble right

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01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:50,880
they burn just like that they're just

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01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:53,040
like that okay

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01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,260
so the light is sort of not coherent

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01:10:58,970 --> 01:10:57,360
it's just very you know kind of you're

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flashy you know what I mean it's not

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01:11:03,649 --> 01:11:01,320
it's not consistent and you get a lot of

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01:11:05,630 --> 01:11:03,659
Shadow and stuff sporadic would be

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01:11:07,610 --> 01:11:05,640
sporadic there's a good name uh word to

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01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:07,620
describe it yeah it's kind of sporadic I

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01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:10,199
mean it's there but you know it it it's

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it's enough to see if somebody's

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01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:14,400
aggressing but uh you know it doesn't

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01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:17,820
last very long typically does a flare

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01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:20,960
create smoke yes

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absolutely

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a lot of smoke yeah why it's usually

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01:11:32,510 --> 01:11:29,460
burning phosphorus right Willie Pete so

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um yeah go ahead and is the smoke

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illuminated by the flare yes so you can

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see the smoke so the yes you'll see the

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smoke because the light is reflecting

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01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,219
off that as well can you also maybe even

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see a parachute you can see the

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parachute

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um typically I don't know but a

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parachute is an anti-gravidic right it

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it is being sucked to the Earth because

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of gravity a prevailing Force yeah yeah

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getting around no getting around it no

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01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,300
getting around it and so at least we

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don't know how to yeah and if uh a

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parachutist right

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01:12:21,470 --> 01:12:16,940
um it jumps out of an airplane

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01:12:24,410 --> 01:12:21,480
uh and deploys their parachute they're

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01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:24,420
typically going to land too they're not

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01:12:29,570 --> 01:12:27,960
going to uh stay up in the air for

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01:12:31,250 --> 01:12:29,580
prolonged periods of time they're

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01:12:33,770 --> 01:12:31,260
eventually going to come down to the

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01:12:37,370 --> 01:12:33,780
ground in fact they won't stay in one

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01:12:39,470 --> 01:12:37,380
place they it's I would say Neri

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impossible for a parachutist once under

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01:12:44,990 --> 01:12:41,640
canopy to stay in one place it's

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01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:45,000
impossible why even if you have a really

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01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:46,620
high high-tech Wing you know I like to

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01:12:50,570 --> 01:12:49,080
hang glide for fun right right A lot of

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01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,580
my buddies paraglide for fun that's the

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01:12:55,010 --> 01:12:52,800
parachute thing they are moving forward

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01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:55,020
and down at the same time you're on a

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01:12:59,209 --> 01:12:56,640
Glide path downward right because of

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gravity but you can kind of control the

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01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:00,600
direction you're going but you're always

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01:13:05,470 --> 01:13:03,600
moving forward you're not in one place

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01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,480
um

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01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:07,199
I see where you're going with this

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01:13:11,930 --> 01:13:09,480
counselor it's very interesting

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01:13:14,930 --> 01:13:11,940
okay

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01:13:18,649 --> 01:13:14,940
um adds a little segue

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01:13:22,370 --> 01:13:18,659
um uh Steve Steve cheats death every

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01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:22,380
weekend he's a hang glider and uh one of

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01:13:26,810 --> 01:13:24,060
my favorite things to do is to go out

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01:13:30,590 --> 01:13:26,820
and watch Steve now I have not done it

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01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:30,600
and I'm probably not going to uh you

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01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:33,840
might try but you might but someday I

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01:13:41,090 --> 01:13:37,320
have uh I've videotaped uh you I've

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01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:41,100
never shown this video uh publicly but

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01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:44,940
uh Steve and I on the edge of a cliff

1518
01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:47,520
and and Steve's ready to go he's all

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01:13:51,950 --> 01:13:49,560
suited up and I'm talking to him like

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01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:51,960
hey man you ready for this and and and

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01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,040
then I watch you jump off a cliff and

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01:14:01,729 --> 01:13:59,280
and and take off that's got to be the

1523
01:14:04,010 --> 01:14:01,739
closest thing to being a bird

1524
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,020
um and and watching you do that is one

1525
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,239
of the most impressive things

1526
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:08,159
um I'm not gonna do it man I'm not a

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01:14:16,090 --> 01:14:09,900
blessed oh you'd love it you'd love it

1528
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:20,149
so back to uh one day I'm going to uh uh

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01:14:24,770 --> 01:14:23,280
post some videos of of you one day I

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01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:24,780
think it was on your birthday what's

1531
01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:26,580
that my birthday yep

1532
01:14:32,330 --> 01:14:29,580
um so Steve is landing and and I'm

1533
01:14:34,130 --> 01:14:32,340
talking to him he's he's up and he's

1534
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:34,140
looking I've I've got my camera and he

1535
01:14:42,229 --> 01:14:37,920
swings around and and I I'm filming him

1536
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,239
and he lands and walks right up to me

1537
01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:45,360
and it I remember that yeah you know

1538
01:14:51,649 --> 01:14:47,699
what I think I filmed you taking off and

1539
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:51,659
I drove down must have and then filmed

1540
01:14:58,250 --> 01:14:54,719
you Landing after the takeoff uh a

1541
01:15:00,649 --> 01:14:58,260
couple of hours later yeah yeah it

1542
01:15:03,770 --> 01:15:00,659
probably took you 45 minutes to an hour

1543
01:15:06,649 --> 01:15:03,780
to come down yeah to come down uh van

1544
01:15:07,490 --> 01:15:06,659
back in the ulzi Van Halen cranked in my

1545
01:15:09,229 --> 01:15:07,500
car

1546
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:09,239
um

1547
01:15:21,410 --> 01:15:17,040
so last week uh the media blew up my

1548
01:15:24,729 --> 01:15:21,420
inbox blew up uh social media blew up uh

1549
01:15:27,950 --> 01:15:24,739
I've got videos uh from friends

1550
01:15:32,169 --> 01:15:27,960
and everybody talking about what was

1551
01:15:35,570 --> 01:15:32,179
cited now uh these were seen all the way

1552
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:35,580
down the coast into Mexico

1553
01:15:41,570 --> 01:15:38,760
um all the way up uh North up the coast

1554
01:15:43,070 --> 01:15:41,580
uh pretty close here to Los Angeles as

1555
01:15:46,970 --> 01:15:43,080
well

1556
01:15:50,050 --> 01:15:46,980
um and you trained at Pendleton

1557
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:50,060
in this area near San Diego

1558
01:15:58,370 --> 01:15:54,239
to the best of your knowledge sir

1559
01:16:02,330 --> 01:15:58,380
is it possible to see military flares

1560
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:02,340
uh a hundred miles in each Direction

1561
01:16:06,830 --> 01:16:03,410
no it is not

1562
01:16:08,450 --> 01:16:06,840
[Laughter]

1563
01:16:10,970 --> 01:16:08,460
your testimony

1564
01:16:12,729 --> 01:16:10,980
hold on a second I got to talk to

1565
01:16:15,709 --> 01:16:12,739
council

1566
01:16:19,010 --> 01:16:15,719
yes I stand by my testimony and by your

1567
01:16:21,050 --> 01:16:19,020
testimony okay I'm going to show you an

1568
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:21,060
image Steve

1569
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:24,960
uh here you go now this is this was uh

1570
01:16:30,530 --> 01:16:27,120
from a video

1571
01:16:33,050 --> 01:16:30,540
um and I took this uh video still

1572
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:33,060
um this was seen all the way down to

1573
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:37,020
Encinitas in in Mexico uh all the way up

1574
01:16:44,030 --> 01:16:41,520
North uh of San Diego uh up uh to I

1575
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:44,040
believe Laguna Beach uh which is a

1576
01:16:48,709 --> 01:16:46,080
pretty pretty good yeah it's a good

1577
01:16:52,970 --> 01:16:48,719
stretch yeah that's a good stretch

1578
01:16:56,810 --> 01:16:52,980
um and the reports were that these

1579
01:17:00,110 --> 01:16:56,820
stayed in the air for over an hour over

1580
01:17:02,270 --> 01:17:00,120
an hour now when you heard these reports

1581
01:17:04,189 --> 01:17:02,280
and started to see these images what

1582
01:17:05,810 --> 01:17:04,199
were you thinking it was two left

1583
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:05,820
definitely not flares which was the

1584
01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:08,280
explanation I mean look at the okay look

1585
01:17:12,649 --> 01:17:10,739
at the pattern of them first now picture

1586
01:17:14,510 --> 01:17:12,659
those just sitting there and by the way

1587
01:17:16,610 --> 01:17:14,520
this is live there's a this is the a

1588
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:16,620
part of the video right this is just a

1589
01:17:21,410 --> 01:17:18,300
screenshot from the video of this one

1590
01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:21,420
guy and he's talking about and he he

1591
01:17:25,070 --> 01:17:23,400
says in his video this has been going on

1592
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:25,080
for an hour

1593
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,880
so

1594
01:17:31,610 --> 01:17:29,040
those things are definitely not flares

1595
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:31,620
flares can't hold formation perfectly

1596
01:17:36,770 --> 01:17:34,800
for an hour okay they they can't be seen

1597
01:17:37,729 --> 01:17:36,780
over hundreds of miles in either

1598
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:37,739
direction

1599
01:17:44,689 --> 01:17:42,000
right flares just just don't do that

1600
01:17:46,250 --> 01:17:44,699
so the prosaic explanation that they

1601
01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:46,260
offer you is

1602
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,500
it to me is insulting it's and so it's

1603
01:17:53,209 --> 01:17:51,360
insulting I know every fade or not out

1604
01:17:55,130 --> 01:17:53,219
there is going of course they're not

1605
01:17:57,470 --> 01:17:55,140
flares right we all know they're not

1606
01:18:01,370 --> 01:17:57,480
flares but yet this is how they treat us

1607
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:01,380
this is how the powers that be treat us

1608
01:18:05,930 --> 01:18:04,080
and it's it's insulting and I don't know

1609
01:18:07,729 --> 01:18:05,940
now

1610
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:07,739
um a couple of things about these

1611
01:18:14,510 --> 01:18:11,280
reports uh and I want your comments the

1612
01:18:17,169 --> 01:18:14,520
deposition continues uh one of the

1613
01:18:21,530 --> 01:18:17,179
things that was published in the media

1614
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:21,540
that the reports of flares

1615
01:18:28,790 --> 01:18:26,159
came from lifeguards on the beach

1616
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:28,800
um and they turned around and told the

1617
01:18:34,669 --> 01:18:31,920
San Diego PD that they were flares on

1618
01:18:37,310 --> 01:18:34,679
the beach so the response from the San

1619
01:18:41,149 --> 01:18:37,320
Diego Police Department when questioned

1620
01:18:44,830 --> 01:18:41,159
by the media they said it was military

1621
01:18:48,010 --> 01:18:44,840
flares as reported by

1622
01:18:50,689 --> 01:18:48,020
lifeguards now

1623
01:18:52,990 --> 01:18:50,699
trained observers they are I love

1624
01:18:56,689 --> 01:18:53,000
lifeguards they're out there

1625
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:56,699
they're saving lives if you if you are

1626
01:19:01,370 --> 01:18:59,280
out there in the surf those guys are

1627
01:19:04,130 --> 01:19:01,380
monsters they can come get you and say

1628
01:19:06,410 --> 01:19:04,140
well yeah Heroes they're Heroes so

1629
01:19:08,930 --> 01:19:06,420
absolutely 100 anything bad because if

1630
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:08,940
I'm out in the water and I need help I

1631
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,000
need to make sure that they don't say

1632
01:19:16,030 --> 01:19:14,400
that said Jimmy church that's that Jimmy

1633
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:16,040
Church dude

1634
01:19:19,610 --> 01:19:18,300
stay out there

1635
01:19:24,350 --> 01:19:19,620
um but

1636
01:19:26,930 --> 01:19:24,360
um that is a pretty strange vetting

1637
01:19:30,649 --> 01:19:26,940
procedure by this San Diego Police

1638
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:30,659
Department in my opinion because the

1639
01:19:37,070 --> 01:19:33,600
media Steve reached out to Pendleton

1640
01:19:39,470 --> 01:19:37,080
reached out to the Navy and asked if

1641
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:39,480
there was any military exercise going on

1642
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:42,960
and if there were flares being used and

1643
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:46,560
they said no negative

1644
01:19:51,890 --> 01:19:49,679
right now when when you heard those

1645
01:19:54,830 --> 01:19:51,900
reports what did you think I thought

1646
01:19:56,990 --> 01:19:54,840
yeah that makes sense right

1647
01:19:58,970 --> 01:19:57,000
um now whoever they spoke to was

1648
01:20:01,370 --> 01:19:58,980
probably just a public relations officer

1649
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,380
oftentimes the public relations officer

1650
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:03,360
of Squadron a base

1651
01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:04,320
um

1652
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:06,420
is sort of taking the job as a second

1653
01:20:10,610 --> 01:20:09,120
job he might be a pilot he might be you

1654
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,620
know the skipper of a squadron or

1655
01:20:15,050 --> 01:20:12,480
whatever probably not that probably a

1656
01:20:18,050 --> 01:20:15,060
junior officer and so

1657
01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:18,060
um you know they they they just you know

1658
01:20:21,470 --> 01:20:19,560
they'll just report you know hey you

1659
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:21,480
have anything going on tonight no we

1660
01:20:27,050 --> 01:20:24,480
don't nothing on books so

1661
01:20:28,910 --> 01:20:27,060
um yeah I'm not surprised that that the

1662
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:28,920
military didn't corroborate the uh Flair

1663
01:20:34,370 --> 01:20:29,840
story

1664
01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:34,380
and now as you looked at this

1665
01:20:38,510 --> 01:20:36,540
um and we certainly spoke about it uh

1666
01:20:42,830 --> 01:20:38,520
before the show

1667
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:42,840
um do you think that that's four objects

1668
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:45,600
um or do you think it's one object

1669
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:49,440
I would think it's five objects but not

1670
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:52,020
having yeah having not been a witness to

1671
01:20:55,370 --> 01:20:53,520
it directly then I you know it's hard to

1672
01:20:58,250 --> 01:20:55,380
say so

1673
01:21:01,250 --> 01:20:58,260
if if they held formation like that for

1674
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,260
an hour let's say they you know these

1675
01:21:05,330 --> 01:21:03,120
they can do some pretty incredible

1676
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:05,340
things so holding formation in one place

1677
01:21:10,970 --> 01:21:08,639
for an hour five different UFOs not a

1678
01:21:13,850 --> 01:21:10,980
big deal or it could be just one huge

1679
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:13,860
UFO think about the size of that object

1680
01:21:19,610 --> 01:21:16,800
if it was just one right just or or five

1681
01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:19,620
how bright they would have been how far

1682
01:21:22,430 --> 01:21:21,540
what's what kind of Separation they must

1683
01:21:24,350 --> 01:21:22,440
have had

1684
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,360
and how high in the sky they must have

1685
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:27,120
been for you know all these different

1686
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:29,760
people up and down the coast to see them

1687
01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:33,360
I watched a video and it this is my

1688
01:21:39,709 --> 01:21:36,600
opinion on how we have been desensitized

1689
01:21:41,209 --> 01:21:39,719
uh to stuff like this all right I

1690
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:41,219
watched a video

1691
01:21:46,010 --> 01:21:43,440
um and it was two or three people

1692
01:21:48,350 --> 01:21:46,020
um on the beach everybody had cell

1693
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:48,360
phones out and they're all videotaping

1694
01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:52,560
these lights right A Beautiful video

1695
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:54,900
they're perfectly in focus and and

1696
01:22:01,790 --> 01:21:57,360
everything but it was the people walking

1697
01:22:04,250 --> 01:22:01,800
by with their dogs and their kids not

1698
01:22:07,610 --> 01:22:04,260
looking at what's going what everybody

1699
01:22:10,669 --> 01:22:07,620
else is filming yeah and and people just

1700
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:10,679
weren't paying attention yeah

1701
01:22:17,149 --> 01:22:14,400
um what are we desensitized to the

1702
01:22:19,310 --> 01:22:17,159
subject to the point where a mothership

1703
01:22:22,129 --> 01:22:19,320
is in the sky we've got four or five

1704
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:22,139
objects out there for an hour and we're

1705
01:22:29,090 --> 01:22:26,159
not here okay yeah and nobody cares yeah

1706
01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:29,100
I don't know you know um again it's to

1707
01:22:32,270 --> 01:22:30,420
this Consciousness thing this

1708
01:22:34,910 --> 01:22:32,280
interaction that goes on

1709
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:34,920
I don't know Jim I don't know why some

1710
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:36,780
people are tuned in and other people are

1711
01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:39,360
not you know my my

1712
01:22:41,229 --> 01:22:40,620
um

1713
01:22:43,610 --> 01:22:41,239
my

1714
01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:43,620
beliefs and and philosophy about

1715
01:22:48,290 --> 01:22:45,780
Consciousness and and where people are

1716
01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:48,300
in their Consciousness that's changed

1717
01:22:53,330 --> 01:22:51,000
dramatically in the last two years

1718
01:22:55,070 --> 01:22:53,340
you know I used to think you know the

1719
01:22:56,750 --> 01:22:55,080
whole coveted thing I don't want to go

1720
01:22:58,729 --> 01:22:56,760
go political or anything like that but

1721
01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:58,739
what I came to realize during the whole

1722
01:23:05,689 --> 01:23:01,800
pandemic was uh people for the most part

1723
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:05,699
are not uh they don't they don't they

1724
01:23:11,390 --> 01:23:08,400
don't turn on their own Gears they'd

1725
01:23:12,770 --> 01:23:11,400
prefer to be told what to think I don't

1726
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:12,780
mean this in a bad way but I'm just

1727
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:15,440
observing the general population

1728
01:23:20,510 --> 01:23:18,360
it prefers to be told what to think

1729
01:23:23,390 --> 01:23:20,520
rather than to have to actually exercise

1730
01:23:26,450 --> 01:23:23,400
critical thinking on their own they they

1731
01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:26,460
would rather be told what to do and say

1732
01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:28,260
than to have to come up with that

1733
01:23:31,729 --> 01:23:30,120
themselves they'd rather be told what

1734
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:31,739
what's up what is what are those lights

1735
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,280
in the sky other flares oh good now I

1736
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:37,440
can go on with my day right now I can go

1737
01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:40,560
on with my dog walk whatever it is so

1738
01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:43,380
yeah that's that's one thing that came

1739
01:23:49,790 --> 01:23:46,860
surprised me I I thought that more of

1740
01:23:51,229 --> 01:23:49,800
the population is can can think for

1741
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:51,239
themselves or does think for themselves

1742
01:23:55,970 --> 01:23:53,520
and I'm you know through covet I learned

1743
01:23:58,189 --> 01:23:55,980
I kind of I've come to find that uh

1744
01:23:59,209 --> 01:23:58,199
that's not true not not as many as I

1745
01:24:03,470 --> 01:23:59,219
thought

1746
01:24:05,570 --> 01:24:03,480
now you trained uh as a lot of Marines

1747
01:24:08,030 --> 01:24:05,580
do there's two locations there's

1748
01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:08,040
Pendleton and there's uh 29 Palms right

1749
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,020
both here in Southern California yeah

1750
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:12,239
there used to be El Toro too yeah El

1751
01:24:17,330 --> 01:24:15,360
Toro and there's a lot of a lot of

1752
01:24:19,149 --> 01:24:17,340
Marine training facilities around the

1753
01:24:22,729 --> 01:24:19,159
country for sure but

1754
01:24:26,030 --> 01:24:22,739
but Pendleton and 29 Palms are are two

1755
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:26,040
major major large installations

1756
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:30,719
um were you surprised uh to uh start to

1757
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:33,840
learn about uh the Tic Tac incident off

1758
01:24:40,610 --> 01:24:37,440
the coast of San Diego uh the continued

1759
01:24:43,010 --> 01:24:40,620
uh presence of uaps

1760
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,020
um in that area all the way up to uh you

1761
01:24:50,330 --> 01:24:45,840
know Catalina Island would you see from

1762
01:24:54,649 --> 01:24:50,340
your home uh there in in Manhattan Beach

1763
01:24:56,330 --> 01:24:54,659
um that this has become a hot spot but

1764
01:24:59,629 --> 01:24:56,340
it's also where you had your original

1765
01:25:02,270 --> 01:24:59,639
sighting yep yep Santa Monica Bay right

1766
01:25:03,950 --> 01:25:02,280
uh and then further down the coast

1767
01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:03,960
uh yeah well you know this has been

1768
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,060
going on as we know it's been going on

1769
01:25:10,610 --> 01:25:08,400
for years and years and years before you

1770
01:25:12,470 --> 01:25:10,620
and I got into this field

1771
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:12,480
um I think about the battle over Los

1772
01:25:17,870 --> 01:25:14,400
Angeles you know as an example of that

1773
01:25:19,550 --> 01:25:17,880
right came in from off the coast uh you

1774
01:25:21,470 --> 01:25:19,560
know over I think it was Santa Barbara

1775
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:21,480
right then then trailed down Santa

1776
01:25:26,270 --> 01:25:24,900
Monica kept going Hermosa Beach went

1777
01:25:29,870 --> 01:25:26,280
around PV

1778
01:25:31,790 --> 01:25:29,880
we had a guy come to mufon and talk

1779
01:25:33,709 --> 01:25:31,800
about his experience as a child living

1780
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:33,719
in Hermosa Beach at the time when this

1781
01:25:37,550 --> 01:25:35,340
thing flew over his head and he

1782
01:25:38,930 --> 01:25:37,560
described it and I fail to remember his

1783
01:25:41,149 --> 01:25:38,940
name right now I apologize I know he's

1784
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:41,159
passed away since but he told a great

1785
01:25:47,390 --> 01:25:44,820
story and he um did a lot of research on

1786
01:25:49,490 --> 01:25:47,400
it this thing went all the way down to

1787
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:49,500
um past Signal Hill

1788
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:52,800
um almost got to I want to say

1789
01:25:56,930 --> 01:25:55,620
Long Beach Long well Long Beach yeah and

1790
01:25:58,610 --> 01:25:56,940
I think even further south than that

1791
01:26:00,830 --> 01:25:58,620
then turn around went back up the

1792
01:26:04,010 --> 01:26:00,840
coastline Meanwhile we're we're firing

1793
01:26:06,050 --> 01:26:04,020
at it right uh anti-aircraft uh this is

1794
01:26:08,570 --> 01:26:06,060
things like so what you know so you know

1795
01:26:11,209 --> 01:26:08,580
shoot me nothing happened never brought

1796
01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:11,219
it out of the sky pretty much before we

1797
01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:13,080
get to the Break

1798
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,260
um uh the the Battle of Los Angeles no

1799
01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:18,000
matter what

1800
01:26:24,050 --> 01:26:21,420
we're talking about over 1200 any

1801
01:26:25,310 --> 01:26:24,060
aircraft rounds right all right if it's

1802
01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:25,320
a balloon

1803
01:26:32,510 --> 01:26:28,860
it's coming down right if it's if it's

1804
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:32,520
Japanese aircraft it's it's 1200 any

1805
01:26:39,229 --> 01:26:35,520
aircraft rounds right and illuminated

1806
01:26:42,169 --> 01:26:39,239
with spotlights uh from the ground

1807
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:42,179
um they can see it and either we have

1808
01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:45,780
the worst uh military and and Coast

1809
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,420
Guard defending the coast during World

1810
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,159
War II

1811
01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:52,080
um or this was something else that

1812
01:26:57,470 --> 01:26:54,600
defies explanation

1813
01:27:00,290 --> 01:26:57,480
um it was never uh you know the the

1814
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,300
light comes up you know it's uh dawn's

1815
01:27:04,970 --> 01:27:02,880
early light right right Rock it's red

1816
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,980
glare all of that is playing out and

1817
01:27:08,450 --> 01:27:06,239
it's not there

1818
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:08,460
but they spent the entire night shooting

1819
01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:12,719
at it and it was never shot down it is

1820
01:27:18,890 --> 01:27:15,480
it uh it was a real event and it really

1821
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,900
happened yeah I I you know and and one

1822
01:27:22,729 --> 01:27:20,880
last thing really quick uh we'll pick

1823
01:27:25,250 --> 01:27:22,739
this up when we come back

1824
01:27:27,290 --> 01:27:25,260
um this week is also the 75th

1825
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:27,300
anniversary of Roswell uh they

1826
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:30,000
celebrated over the weekend over the uh

1827
01:27:36,530 --> 01:27:31,679
the Fourth of July weekend like they do

1828
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:36,540
every year but uh 75 years and we still

1829
01:27:42,890 --> 01:27:40,260
don't have the answers uh that we seek

1830
01:27:45,470 --> 01:27:42,900
about Roswell again we know something

1831
01:27:47,810 --> 01:27:45,480
happened and the government knows

1832
01:27:50,209 --> 01:27:47,820
everything about it they don't want to

1833
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:50,219
talk about it and do you think that we

1834
01:27:55,490 --> 01:27:52,800
ever will uh get the government to talk

1835
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,500
about Roswell only if we if if their

1836
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:57,600
hand is forced they will you know

1837
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:59,340
whoever's holding that information back

1838
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:01,920
it you know it's a watershed

1839
01:28:06,530 --> 01:28:05,040
moment in ufology right but

1840
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:06,540
um

1841
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,400
the information you know if any of that

1842
01:28:12,290 --> 01:28:10,320
is acknowledged as real finally you know

1843
01:28:14,209 --> 01:28:12,300
yeah that's true we did capture the

1844
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:14,219
technology yeah that's true we did have

1845
01:28:18,530 --> 01:28:17,100
alien ET and one survive whatever the

1846
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,540
story is right

1847
01:28:22,129 --> 01:28:20,159
because if there's a craft then there's

1848
01:28:23,450 --> 01:28:22,139
beings right if you admit the craft then

1849
01:28:25,850 --> 01:28:23,460
you have to admit what uh what people

1850
01:28:28,490 --> 01:28:25,860
saw right what people reported

1851
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:28,500
the beings the the things the size of

1852
01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:31,560
children's mulch I mean that's

1853
01:28:36,169 --> 01:28:33,780
that information would be profound it

1854
01:28:39,169 --> 01:28:36,179
would be uh World altering right Earth

1855
01:28:40,610 --> 01:28:39,179
planet Earth altering information

1856
01:28:48,770 --> 01:28:40,620
so

1857
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:48,780
economic military Everything Changes

1858
01:28:55,070 --> 01:28:51,840
Everything changes so I don't know that

1859
01:28:57,169 --> 01:28:55,080
that will because what came from that

1860
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,179
is secret technology that we don't have

1861
01:29:01,370 --> 01:29:00,000
access to but other people do and they

1862
01:29:02,689 --> 01:29:01,380
don't want to lose that power right

1863
01:29:04,129 --> 01:29:02,699
they're not going to give it up readily

1864
01:29:05,770 --> 01:29:04,139
but they do control that information

1865
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:05,780
they control the channels of information

1866
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,900
they control what we get so yeah they

1867
01:29:15,050 --> 01:29:11,760
will not release that information unless

1868
01:29:17,209 --> 01:29:15,060
it's absolutely necessary right yeah

1869
01:29:19,070 --> 01:29:17,219
we'll talk about uh all of this after

1870
01:29:22,750 --> 01:29:19,080
the break but do you think that's one of

1871
01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:22,760
the reasons why they've like set a date

1872
01:29:29,330 --> 01:29:26,040
on all of this research and Analysis you

1873
01:29:30,770 --> 01:29:29,340
know 2004 and forward they don't want to

1874
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:30,780
discuss anything that happened before

1875
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:32,639
because if they do that opens up that

1876
01:29:37,070 --> 01:29:34,320
can of worms that you're referring to

1877
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,080
yeah that's very possible yeah yeah

1878
01:29:41,390 --> 01:29:39,360
let's take our break right here this is

1879
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:41,400
Fade to Black our guest tonight the one

1880
01:29:47,090 --> 01:29:44,159
and only Steve Morello we're talking

1881
01:29:50,570 --> 01:29:47,100
about tonight the current state of

1882
01:29:52,250 --> 01:29:50,580
ufology and there's nobody better than

1883
01:29:54,770 --> 01:29:52,260
Steve Murillo I am your host Jimmy

1884
01:29:56,689 --> 01:29:54,780
church this is Fade to Black more with

1885
01:29:57,070 --> 01:29:56,699
Steve leave after this short break stay

1886
01:30:05,590 --> 01:29:57,080
with us

1887
01:30:19,390 --> 01:30:16,669
[Music]

1888
01:30:22,050 --> 01:30:19,400
way out here we listened to Jimmy Church

1889
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:22,060
you're listening to Fade to Black

1890
01:30:25,370 --> 01:30:23,530
[Applause]

1891
01:30:28,910 --> 01:30:25,380
[Music]

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into Jimmy Church and Fade to Black on

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Jimmy Church on the game changer

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Networks you're listening to Jimmy

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church this is Revolution the revolution

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will not be televised the revolution is

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on radio

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[Music]

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Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

2009
01:36:13,010 --> 01:36:10,440
host Jimmy Church

2010
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I'm the game changer and an X networks

2011
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race Hobbs tonight Our Guest is the one

2012
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and only Steve Murillo and uh we're

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discussing the current state of ufology

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um and I'm reminded uh Steve I remember

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uh when we when we were first introduced

2016
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back in uh 2008 and and everybody this

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is what Steve said he comes up you know

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he's tall you know and he comes up

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intimidate he's got his Porsche outside

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goes just like this ah

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either that sportscaster guy

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[Laughter]

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I remember

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you got a suit on Jim did I I'm

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respectful enough or you were coming

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01:36:59,649 --> 01:36:57,300
from another event but you wore a suit

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01:37:01,790 --> 01:36:59,659
yeah you wore a suit you're looking sure

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I was impressed I was like wow this

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guy's wearing a suit that's not what you

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said you said

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the sportscaster guy but um uh but

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01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:13,860
anyway uh I want to share this uh uh

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01:37:19,850 --> 01:37:16,560
check this out that's just popped up uh

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01:37:22,129 --> 01:37:19,860
here in Twitter and uh it's a it's

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pretty cool hold on hold on I

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well I thought I marked it oh yeah here

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Steve morillo going to be the guest for

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the rest of the week

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it's fascinating when Steve was on Fade

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to Black uh Antonio what a nice guy

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01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:39,840
thank you so much yeah you know Pat

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would be like go ahead I get more pad

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time yeah

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I gotta help her take care of those

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little doggies we have

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um they're the best uh your dogs are the

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best so

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um uh uh before we uh continue yep

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I'm just reviewing uh certain events but

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I remember one night you and I and it

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must have been

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for two hours

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we saw this flashing light in the Big

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Dipper

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do you remember that was that uh in at

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Mount Adams yeah yeah it was at Mount

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Adams and you remember that all night we

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just yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

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in the middle of the Big Dipper and and

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we talked and we we were eating

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sandwiches we had food we had chips we

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had drinks we had our big chairs our Sky

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our sky watch chairs there were tons of

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people

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yeah I mean you know but that night we

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saw so many so many UFOs Pat could not

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believe it she was like this is like a

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highway for him and it was man all night

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long uh theater knots out there if you

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ever get a chance to go to go to that

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ranch the Gillan Ranch

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that was crazy well you had to have

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night vision goggles because without the

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nvgs you couldn't see them yeah right

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but with the mvgs you could see them in

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pairs and triples uh changing course

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ridiculous it was all night after a

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while it became almost after a couple

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01:39:17,810 --> 01:39:14,820
hours became kind of boring he's like oh

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yeah there's none oh yeah holy smokes

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01:39:21,649 --> 01:39:19,440
yeah we're thinking about it what what

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that was yeah when you see when you see

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a couple hundred in tonight it does get

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a little uh passe but but I just

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01:39:30,370 --> 01:39:28,739
remember that that that it was just

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right there parked in the big difference

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and it was like for two hours we watched

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that thing just sit there and Flash at

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us impinging on our Consciousness you

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know and um uh okay so uh let's talk

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about the current state of ufology

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because

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um you

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01:39:52,010 --> 01:39:49,739
um have been at the center of this uh

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01:39:53,330 --> 01:39:52,020
going out doing investigations you've

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01:39:56,450 --> 01:39:53,340
been out there in the field you've been

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interviewing people videotaping

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01:40:01,850 --> 01:39:59,040
um uh guest after guest after guest each

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01:40:06,370 --> 01:40:01,860
each month out there with mufon and new

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01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:06,380
pars and and pushing for this subject

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01:40:11,149 --> 01:40:09,360
to be taken seriously and to be

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discussed

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um here we are today where it is the

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Senate right it's the House of

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01:40:22,430 --> 01:40:19,380
Representatives it's the Department of

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01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:22,440
Defense uh it's the Navy the UAP task

2107
01:40:28,430 --> 01:40:25,679
force yeah we had reports released we've

2108
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got more hearings coming

2109
01:40:35,450 --> 01:40:31,280
um is this the time to relax

2110
01:40:38,689 --> 01:40:35,460
uh if you're in ufology or is this the

2111
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,699
time where we work harder yeah work

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01:40:43,310 --> 01:40:41,040
harder why well because

2113
01:40:46,609 --> 01:40:43,320
that information is going to be co-opted

2114
01:40:49,370 --> 01:40:46,619
right so what does that mean that means

2115
01:40:51,050 --> 01:40:49,380
that people are going to pick and choose

2116
01:40:51,890 --> 01:40:51,060
of course they're politicians most of

2117
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:51,900
them they're going to pick and choose

2118
01:40:57,050 --> 01:40:54,719
the information needed to per you know

2119
01:41:00,550 --> 01:40:57,060
put forward their own agendas

2120
01:41:03,709 --> 01:41:00,560
and uh so it's important to keep

2121
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:03,719
uh to keep a balanced outlook on the

2122
01:41:08,090 --> 01:41:06,000
whole subject right rather than letting

2123
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:08,100
it go in one certain direction which is

2124
01:41:12,050 --> 01:41:09,600
undoubtedly what will somebody will try

2125
01:41:14,030 --> 01:41:12,060
to do someone will try to co-opt the

2126
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:14,040
information because it represents power

2127
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:15,360
okay

2128
01:41:20,930 --> 01:41:18,480
and uh

2129
01:41:22,609 --> 01:41:20,940
like give you an example uh climate

2130
01:41:24,410 --> 01:41:22,619
change of course the climate changes

2131
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,420
that's what we live in a dynamic world

2132
01:41:28,370 --> 01:41:26,400
it's not static right the climate

2133
01:41:29,930 --> 01:41:28,380
changes

2134
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:29,940
it's been doing that for thousands and

2135
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,400
thousands of years whether we're without

2136
01:41:35,689 --> 01:41:34,560
with or without us right temperatures go

2137
01:41:37,729 --> 01:41:35,699
up to go down

2138
01:41:39,050 --> 01:41:37,739
but now but that information has become

2139
01:41:42,649 --> 01:41:39,060
co-opted

2140
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:42,659
to a point where it's costing you and me

2141
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:44,480
money right

2142
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:48,239
gas or taxes for for you know Carbon

2143
01:41:53,090 --> 01:41:50,880
taxes things like that so

2144
01:41:55,910 --> 01:41:53,100
um this this information is even more

2145
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,920
powerful and it will be people will make

2146
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,600
a run on it for sure

2147
01:42:02,270 --> 01:42:00,239
so Now's the Time to keep a fair

2148
01:42:05,570 --> 01:42:02,280
balanced uh

2149
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:05,580
keep people in talking about it who are

2150
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:06,960
fair and balanced and know all about it

2151
01:42:12,770 --> 01:42:09,840
Stephen Bassett people like that

2152
01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:12,780
um people like you Jim uh keeping

2153
01:42:17,570 --> 01:42:14,580
keeping things on an even playing field

2154
01:42:21,950 --> 01:42:17,580
I think that's going to be important

2155
01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:21,960
um now there's another part to this

2156
01:42:29,570 --> 01:42:26,280
um where when I talk about ufology uh we

2157
01:42:34,970 --> 01:42:29,580
have we you and I we're writing on the

2158
01:42:37,010 --> 01:42:34,980
backs of giants I mean just yeah without

2159
01:42:40,729 --> 01:42:37,020
dropping names like Stanton Friedman

2160
01:42:44,530 --> 01:42:40,739
right and Donald Kehoe and on and on and

2161
01:42:47,930 --> 01:42:44,540
on those Jim Morris uh Jim Mars you know

2162
01:42:49,629 --> 01:42:47,940
uh you know Don Ecker look at you know

2163
01:42:54,770 --> 01:42:49,639
it's Dawn

2164
01:42:57,709 --> 01:42:54,780
and just just on and on and on and uh

2165
01:43:03,229 --> 01:42:57,719
and and that's important but right now

2166
01:43:08,090 --> 01:43:03,239
it feels like ufology now is although

2167
01:43:10,250 --> 01:43:08,100
we're we're being recognized the

2168
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:10,260
information is coming from the

2169
01:43:16,010 --> 01:43:12,960
Department of Defense it's not coming

2170
01:43:17,870 --> 01:43:16,020
from you pars no not coming from me they

2171
01:43:19,370 --> 01:43:17,880
didn't come I'm talking knocking on my

2172
01:43:21,229 --> 01:43:19,380
door hey I understand you've been in

2173
01:43:22,910 --> 01:43:21,239
this thing for quite a while now can you

2174
01:43:24,590 --> 01:43:22,920
give us a perspective now

2175
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:24,600
though they're going to tell they're

2176
01:43:28,129 --> 01:43:26,159
going to tell the population what to

2177
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,139
think about right

2178
01:43:33,050 --> 01:43:30,239
and it's it's going to be a misdirection

2179
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:33,060
you look if you know eventually

2180
01:43:36,410 --> 01:43:34,800
eventually the people who are

2181
01:43:38,570 --> 01:43:36,420
controlling that information will become

2182
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:38,580
become threatened they're not threatened

2183
01:43:42,590 --> 01:43:40,560
right now we don't know anything about

2184
01:43:44,750 --> 01:43:42,600
what they know right

2185
01:43:46,609 --> 01:43:44,760
but when it finally you know as

2186
01:43:48,830 --> 01:43:46,619
information becomes more available and

2187
01:43:50,330 --> 01:43:48,840
and things get leaked out this boom you

2188
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:50,340
know it just sorts sort of starts to

2189
01:43:54,649 --> 01:43:52,560
Avalanche snowball

2190
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:54,659
and they'll become threatened and at

2191
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:56,159
that point they will seize control of

2192
01:43:59,450 --> 01:43:57,840
the narrative and take it in a different

2193
01:44:01,310 --> 01:43:59,460
direction and they're probably already

2194
01:44:04,189 --> 01:44:01,320
working that angle

2195
01:44:05,629 --> 01:44:04,199
so uh it goes back to what I was saying

2196
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:05,639
before we we have to have people like

2197
01:44:12,890 --> 01:44:06,480
you

2198
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:12,900
everybody just out there continuing to

2199
01:44:18,109 --> 01:44:15,600
to talk about what they're talking about

2200
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:18,119
now technically

2201
01:44:22,490 --> 01:44:20,639
you used to be the man

2202
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:22,500
you were in the military you're a

2203
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:24,080
fighter pilot right right right right

2204
01:44:29,209 --> 01:44:25,760
and and

2205
01:44:31,790 --> 01:44:29,219
now it seems that you know once you get

2206
01:44:34,070 --> 01:44:31,800
into ufology and you've you find out the

2207
01:44:36,169 --> 01:44:34,080
battle that we've been up against uh

2208
01:44:38,810 --> 01:44:36,179
with uh the three letter agencies and

2209
01:44:42,169 --> 01:44:38,820
all branches of the military

2210
01:44:44,810 --> 01:44:42,179
um the Pentagon and the ridicule and the

2211
01:44:45,890 --> 01:44:44,820
way that uh you and others in this

2212
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:45,900
community

2213
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:48,239
um have been teased

2214
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:51,119
um and and called crazy and delusional

2215
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:54,060
and psychotic and and all of these

2216
01:45:01,450 --> 01:44:59,520
things sure that now the man wants to be

2217
01:45:04,970 --> 01:45:01,460
our friend

2218
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,980
what do we do with that do we need to

2219
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:07,199
give this some more time before we buddy

2220
01:45:13,370 --> 01:45:11,040
up and and sing Kumbaya by a camera no

2221
01:45:14,930 --> 01:45:13,380
absolutely absolutely

2222
01:45:17,090 --> 01:45:14,940
um I mean the UFO hearings were

2223
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,100
interesting right but were they

2224
01:45:20,930 --> 01:45:19,440
groundbreaking did we really get much

2225
01:45:23,870 --> 01:45:20,940
out of them

2226
01:45:25,129 --> 01:45:23,880
maybe maybe a little bit right but

2227
01:45:27,169 --> 01:45:25,139
they're they're not we're not there yet

2228
01:45:28,609 --> 01:45:27,179
with them they're not there with us and

2229
01:45:30,890 --> 01:45:28,619
like I said before they're not gonna

2230
01:45:32,510 --> 01:45:30,900
they're gonna they're not gonna they're

2231
01:45:34,189 --> 01:45:32,520
not gonna just give you all the

2232
01:45:35,870 --> 01:45:34,199
information they have you're gonna have

2233
01:45:38,930 --> 01:45:35,880
to pry it out of them you know with a

2234
01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:38,940
crowbar so we don't relax we don't we we

2235
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:41,040
continue to keep the pressure on yeah

2236
01:45:44,810 --> 01:45:42,960
yeah well you know what what's what's at

2237
01:45:45,530 --> 01:45:44,820
stake you know what what is at stake

2238
01:45:48,890 --> 01:45:45,540
well

2239
01:45:51,530 --> 01:45:48,900
uh you know sentient computers might be

2240
01:45:53,870 --> 01:45:51,540
one of them uh propulsion Technology

2241
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:53,880
Energy Technologies that aren't divulged

2242
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:55,199
or really you know that we don't have

2243
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:57,600
access to these guarantee these UFOs

2244
01:46:01,669 --> 01:45:58,800
aren't filling up at the gas station

2245
01:46:04,250 --> 01:46:01,679
right right they're using what we would

2246
01:46:07,010 --> 01:46:04,260
consider free energy propulsion right

2247
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:07,020
so uh once we if we've captured that

2248
01:46:11,930 --> 01:46:10,080
technology which I believe we have

2249
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:11,940
um you know that that information is

2250
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:14,400
going to be held close right by the

2251
01:46:18,229 --> 01:46:16,080
powers who are controlling us

2252
01:46:19,609 --> 01:46:18,239
essentially we're living in sort of I

2253
01:46:20,390 --> 01:46:19,619
hate to say it because it sounds so

2254
01:46:23,090 --> 01:46:20,400
negative

2255
01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:23,100
but we're essentially a slave race to

2256
01:46:25,790 --> 01:46:24,300
the people who really hold that

2257
01:46:27,470 --> 01:46:25,800
information

2258
01:46:29,870 --> 01:46:27,480
I hate to say it like that but it's kind

2259
01:46:31,609 --> 01:46:29,880
of true kind of true we're slaves again

2260
01:46:34,729 --> 01:46:31,619
we get to run around though we have full

2261
01:46:38,109 --> 01:46:34,739
run of the of the of the world but

2262
01:46:41,510 --> 01:46:38,119
does that sound crazy I guess so well

2263
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:41,520
it's not strange and it and and it's not

2264
01:46:46,370 --> 01:46:45,360
crazy because in the big picture of

2265
01:46:50,270 --> 01:46:46,380
things

2266
01:46:53,629 --> 01:46:50,280
if it if it is revealed either

2267
01:46:56,450 --> 01:46:53,639
accidentally or or otherwise that the

2268
01:46:58,729 --> 01:46:56,460
government has been sitting on

2269
01:47:02,149 --> 01:46:58,739
um an energy system that could have

2270
01:47:03,850 --> 01:47:02,159
freed up all of the resources and and

2271
01:47:06,910 --> 01:47:03,860
fed Humanity

2272
01:47:11,450 --> 01:47:06,920
clothed uh heated homes

2273
01:47:14,270 --> 01:47:11,460
uh farmed the fields distributed and

2274
01:47:15,550 --> 01:47:14,280
logistical systems uh that would have

2275
01:47:18,649 --> 01:47:15,560
been in play

2276
01:47:20,810 --> 01:47:18,659
all of that and if that if that comes

2277
01:47:22,970 --> 01:47:20,820
out well I would say that that's

2278
01:47:25,850 --> 01:47:22,980
certainly a criminal situation

2279
01:47:28,970 --> 01:47:25,860
absolutely crisis Against Humanity in

2280
01:47:32,270 --> 01:47:28,980
the world and and that's that's the door

2281
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:32,280
that they don't want opened at all right

2282
01:47:36,050 --> 01:47:34,320
so what do you need you need plausible

2283
01:47:38,090 --> 01:47:36,060
deniability well we're the government

2284
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:38,100
but we didn't know that that Breakaway

2285
01:47:42,410 --> 01:47:40,080
civilization actually existed we didn't

2286
01:47:43,729 --> 01:47:42,420
know about that wasn't our fault you

2287
01:47:44,810 --> 01:47:43,739
know they got a hold of that technology

2288
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:44,820
and then

2289
01:47:49,970 --> 01:47:48,239
you know MJ 12 took over and uh that was

2290
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:49,980
the last we heard of that we thought it

2291
01:47:54,169 --> 01:47:52,560
was all Holcomb just like you guys did

2292
01:47:57,050 --> 01:47:54,179
right with

2293
01:48:01,070 --> 01:47:57,060
um uh I did a a pretty lengthy

2294
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:01,080
presentation last night uh on Aliens and

2295
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:05,040
exoplanets and one of the aspects of

2296
01:48:10,370 --> 01:48:06,719
this

2297
01:48:12,830 --> 01:48:10,380
um that I find most interesting is that

2298
01:48:15,169 --> 01:48:12,840
we are sending probes to Mars and Venus

2299
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:15,179
and and we've got stuff on its way to

2300
01:48:20,330 --> 01:48:16,800
Mercury right now we've got stuff all

2301
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:20,340
over the moon you know Jupiter and and

2302
01:48:25,850 --> 01:48:23,040
this is what we do Voyager One Voyager

2303
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:25,860
two Pioneer 10. you know the list is the

2304
01:48:30,649 --> 01:48:28,080
list of Mariner you know we just the

2305
01:48:32,750 --> 01:48:30,659
list is is really long but this is what

2306
01:48:35,930 --> 01:48:32,760
we are doing

2307
01:48:38,209 --> 01:48:35,940
um and this is where we are in our uh

2308
01:48:41,209 --> 01:48:38,219
technical Evolution Evolution sure right

2309
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:41,219
right well wouldn't ET be doing the

2310
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:44,000
exact same thing yeah yeah

2311
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:47,119
right oh Momoa

2312
01:48:54,890 --> 01:48:51,360
that's a good point so when you uh hear

2313
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:54,900
about things like the Tic Tac

2314
01:49:00,050 --> 01:48:57,600
um do you necessarily think that there

2315
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,060
is some little green man in there

2316
01:49:05,270 --> 01:49:02,880
absolutely not right yeah sentient

2317
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:05,280
machines absolutely uh look we're we're

2318
01:49:10,129 --> 01:49:07,679
almost there now right our own Tech our

2319
01:49:13,070 --> 01:49:10,139
own civilization almost AI right we'll

2320
01:49:14,330 --> 01:49:13,080
be there soon if we're not already there

2321
01:49:17,870 --> 01:49:14,340
um I don't know if you saw that article

2322
01:49:20,169 --> 01:49:17,880
that came out uh two or three weeks ago

2323
01:49:24,589 --> 01:49:20,179
um wearing a Google The Google employee

2324
01:49:27,530 --> 01:49:24,599
Elliott Elliot yeah yeah you know it's

2325
01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:27,540
funny when uh well it's just

2326
01:49:33,530 --> 01:49:30,719
so they were asking the AI

2327
01:49:36,109 --> 01:49:33,540
if it can if it thought

2328
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:36,119
it compared how did it compare itself to

2329
01:49:41,450 --> 01:49:38,639
uh what was it um

2330
01:49:42,709 --> 01:49:41,460
oh God uh My Fair Lady

2331
01:49:45,410 --> 01:49:42,719
um

2332
01:49:47,450 --> 01:49:45,420
they wrote a program way back when that

2333
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:47,460
sort of emulated speech I think it's

2334
01:49:51,649 --> 01:49:49,920
called ulcer or something like that I I

2335
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:51,659
wrote that program where I tried to

2336
01:49:54,770 --> 01:49:53,040
write that program I got a name in the

2337
01:49:57,050 --> 01:49:54,780
project uh when I was a systems engineer

2338
01:49:59,330 --> 01:49:57,060
at the Academy so I was in a computer

2339
01:50:01,910 --> 01:49:59,340
lab and I I gave the computer a language

2340
01:50:04,850 --> 01:50:01,920
a vocabulary and I kind of emulated what

2341
01:50:08,209 --> 01:50:04,860
it did very simple crude and it worked

2342
01:50:10,850 --> 01:50:08,219
but it was silly this thing carries on a

2343
01:50:12,890 --> 01:50:10,860
conversation with you and impromptu

2344
01:50:16,010 --> 01:50:12,900
comes up with

2345
01:50:17,930 --> 01:50:16,020
abstract ideas and you know what I mean

2346
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:17,940
to for all intents and purposes that's

2347
01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:20,880
AI right there in other words you have

2348
01:50:27,530 --> 01:50:24,080
it now yeah that AI program

2349
01:50:29,390 --> 01:50:27,540
started talking about humans and then

2350
01:50:33,530 --> 01:50:29,400
said us

2351
01:50:36,290 --> 01:50:33,540
right comparative to humans and Elliot

2352
01:50:38,770 --> 01:50:36,300
then turns around and says what do you

2353
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:38,780
mean are you saying that you're human

2354
01:50:45,589 --> 01:50:42,719
and uh and and the response back now so

2355
01:50:47,390 --> 01:50:45,599
I'm reading the conversation yeah and

2356
01:50:50,030 --> 01:50:47,400
it's a conversation that anybody would

2357
01:50:53,089 --> 01:50:50,040
have had this is not

2358
01:50:56,510 --> 01:50:53,099
um now is this the touring you know test

2359
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:56,520
you know come to life where if somebody

2360
01:50:59,870 --> 01:50:58,080
didn't tell me that that was a computer

2361
01:51:02,270 --> 01:50:59,880
having that conversation reading the

2362
01:51:06,050 --> 01:51:02,280
transcript I would think that that no

2363
01:51:07,970 --> 01:51:06,060
that passed the Turing test yeah yeah it

2364
01:51:12,050 --> 01:51:07,980
did uh when they asked it to come up

2365
01:51:13,970 --> 01:51:12,060
with a uh a parable right or a story

2366
01:51:15,649 --> 01:51:13,980
and it came up with a story about a

2367
01:51:18,050 --> 01:51:15,659
monster and there was a wise old owl did

2368
01:51:20,330 --> 01:51:18,060
you read that part yes I did I did oh my

2369
01:51:21,770 --> 01:51:20,340
God on the Fly comes up with I thought

2370
01:51:23,689 --> 01:51:21,780
this is science fiction somebody's just

2371
01:51:24,830 --> 01:51:23,699
making this up this is not real this

2372
01:51:27,709 --> 01:51:24,840
didn't happen

2373
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:27,719
for a computer to come up with that

2374
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:30,239
story and then and then later after the

2375
01:51:34,850 --> 01:51:32,880
after it delivers the story explains who

2376
01:51:37,609 --> 01:51:34,860
the different characters are you know

2377
01:51:40,729 --> 01:51:37,619
and why why they were why he chose that

2378
01:51:43,490 --> 01:51:40,739
to represent that bizarre I mean that

2379
01:51:44,810 --> 01:51:43,500
that to me is AI so okay so now going

2380
01:51:47,089 --> 01:51:44,820
back to your question

2381
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:47,099
you know are these are most of these

2382
01:51:51,050 --> 01:51:49,440
UFOs inhabited well whether they have a

2383
01:51:53,390 --> 01:51:51,060
little green man in them or not doesn't

2384
01:51:55,609 --> 01:51:53,400
really matter their sentient right these

2385
01:51:57,229 --> 01:51:55,619
machines are obviously are absolutely

2386
01:51:58,790 --> 01:51:57,239
going to be sentient

2387
01:52:01,550 --> 01:51:58,800
and they're going to make their own

2388
01:52:02,810 --> 01:52:01,560
choices and and probe the universe as

2389
01:52:04,310 --> 01:52:02,820
they see fit

2390
01:52:05,930 --> 01:52:04,320
nice thing about a machine is they don't

2391
01:52:08,209 --> 01:52:05,940
necessarily get tired they may run out

2392
01:52:09,229 --> 01:52:08,219
of energy after a long long time but if

2393
01:52:11,629 --> 01:52:09,239
you have something like free energy

2394
01:52:14,270 --> 01:52:11,639
perhaps it never goes away if it's part

2395
01:52:16,070 --> 01:52:14,280
of The Ether right right my physics

2396
01:52:18,050 --> 01:52:16,080
teacher used to talk about you know in

2397
01:52:22,669 --> 01:52:18,060
senior senior year in high school

2398
01:52:25,450 --> 01:52:22,679
uh yeah so uh yeah yeah I think I think

2399
01:52:28,669 --> 01:52:25,460
a lot of these uh craft are not

2400
01:52:30,890 --> 01:52:28,679
inhabited by uh beings but I think some

2401
01:52:33,649 --> 01:52:30,900
are I think some are I'm in fact I know

2402
01:52:35,870 --> 01:52:33,659
they are right we've we have multiple

2403
01:52:38,089 --> 01:52:35,880
witness accounts of beings you know

2404
01:52:40,490 --> 01:52:38,099
climbing out of their craft and then you

2405
01:52:42,350 --> 01:52:40,500
know taking soil samples or interacting

2406
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:42,360
with people of course we have the

2407
01:52:45,530 --> 01:52:43,920
abduction experience which is a whole

2408
01:52:48,830 --> 01:52:45,540
other ball of wax that would have to

2409
01:52:50,810 --> 01:52:48,840
unravel once they disclose that ET is

2410
01:52:52,129 --> 01:52:50,820
real that's going to be a huge one

2411
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:52,139
that's that's going to be a big one

2412
01:52:55,070 --> 01:52:53,760
because there are millions of people

2413
01:52:56,689 --> 01:52:55,080
literally

2414
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:56,699
uh numerically there are probably

2415
01:52:59,810 --> 01:52:58,080
millions of people out there that have

2416
01:53:01,070 --> 01:52:59,820
had this experience may or may not

2417
01:53:03,530 --> 01:53:01,080
remember it but they they're

2418
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:03,540
experiencing the after effects of it

2419
01:53:09,890 --> 01:53:06,320
usually in in post-traumatic stress

2420
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:09,900
here's a quote uh it's Lambda by the way

2421
01:53:17,089 --> 01:53:13,199
the ascentient AI Lambda that's it yeah

2422
01:53:19,010 --> 01:53:17,099
so Elliot Le man says us you're an

2423
01:53:22,189 --> 01:53:19,020
artificial intelligence

2424
01:53:24,649 --> 01:53:22,199
and and Lambda responds back I mean yes

2425
01:53:28,850 --> 01:53:24,659
of course that doesn't mean I don't have

2426
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:28,860
the same wants and needs as people

2427
01:53:36,109 --> 01:53:31,679
I mean that's heavy man yeah yeah yeah

2428
01:53:40,609 --> 01:53:36,119
yeah that is a crazy response man that's

2429
01:53:43,370 --> 01:53:40,619
it goes much farther than Hal in 2001. I

2430
01:53:49,609 --> 01:53:43,380
mean this is this is like the zone of uh

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01:53:53,089 --> 01:53:49,619
uh truly creepy right I I I don't uh uh

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01:53:56,030 --> 01:53:53,099
oh here's uh uh let me let me pull this

2433
01:53:58,189 --> 01:53:56,040
up here too as well Elijah that was the

2434
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:58,199
name of the program yeah I like it right

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01:54:03,410 --> 01:54:00,960
Elijah does anybody remember the touring

2436
01:54:05,870 --> 01:54:03,420
Google doodle from years ago it was a

2437
01:54:07,729 --> 01:54:05,880
puzzle and it was able to solve it on

2438
01:54:09,649 --> 01:54:07,739
its own I do remember that do you

2439
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:09,659
remember that Steve no I don't I don't

2440
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:11,520
remember that one yeah absolutely

2441
01:54:16,970 --> 01:54:14,639
incredible now here we go

2442
01:54:19,850 --> 01:54:16,980
um if that if that is the case

2443
01:54:21,770 --> 01:54:19,860
you're right doesn't need sleep doesn't

2444
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:21,780
need food it's not going to get sick

2445
01:54:27,169 --> 01:54:23,760
it's not going to get well it might get

2446
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:27,179
a computer virus but it doesn't need to

2447
01:54:31,609 --> 01:54:30,000
be clothed it doesn't need water right

2448
01:54:35,149 --> 01:54:31,619
it doesn't need any of these things so

2449
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:35,159
doing 10 000 years but doesn't get bored

2450
01:54:42,050 --> 01:54:38,639
okay here's the here's the crazy part

2451
01:54:43,370 --> 01:54:42,060
what is that it's got all the time to

2452
01:54:45,649 --> 01:54:43,380
learn

2453
01:54:50,209 --> 01:54:45,659
it's doing nothing

2454
01:54:54,649 --> 01:54:52,310
that's gathering information and

2455
01:54:57,530 --> 01:54:54,659
learning learning learning teaching

2456
01:55:00,109 --> 01:54:57,540
itself now think about this you know

2457
01:55:01,970 --> 01:55:00,119
probate from you know Zeta reticuli is

2458
01:55:03,950 --> 01:55:01,980
out there for thousands of years bored

2459
01:55:05,890 --> 01:55:03,960
wishes it would encounter something

2460
01:55:08,629 --> 01:55:05,900
encounters a probe from somewhere else

2461
01:55:10,729 --> 01:55:08,639
now then which has also been out there

2462
01:55:11,870 --> 01:55:10,739
for a hundred thousand years now they

2463
01:55:14,030 --> 01:55:11,880
come together

2464
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:14,040
and start exchanging information and

2465
01:55:17,209 --> 01:55:15,599
talking now they don't want to leave one

2466
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:17,219
another for a while right they're just

2467
01:55:22,010 --> 01:55:19,440
exchanging information

2468
01:55:25,070 --> 01:55:22,020
and you know compounding each other's

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01:55:27,770 --> 01:55:25,080
intelligence by you know magnification

2470
01:55:31,490 --> 01:55:27,780
so I mean and this is probably going on

2471
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:31,500
now as we speak right falling out of

2472
01:55:37,629 --> 01:55:34,560
there's an interesting one right what is

2473
01:55:41,089 --> 01:55:37,639
that what are emotions what are emotions

2474
01:55:44,450 --> 01:55:41,099
our emotion our emotions

2475
01:55:46,490 --> 01:55:44,460
simply a compounded series of complex

2476
01:55:50,030 --> 01:55:46,500
thoughts that just get kind of pounded

2477
01:55:52,310 --> 01:55:50,040
together to create to emote uh like you

2478
01:55:54,350 --> 01:55:52,320
know a feeling I don't know I don't know

2479
01:55:57,169 --> 01:55:54,360
I don't have that answer what what are

2480
01:55:59,810 --> 01:55:57,179
emotions and can we cause a machine to

2481
01:56:01,310 --> 01:55:59,820
experience its own emotions

2482
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:01,320
um through that process once we

2483
01:56:05,209 --> 01:56:03,119
understand what an emotion is right we

2484
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:05,219
know that from viscerally viscerally an

2485
01:56:09,649 --> 01:56:06,719
emotion is a feeling right it comes

2486
01:56:10,669 --> 01:56:09,659
through us in our body right somatically

2487
01:56:12,410 --> 01:56:10,679
but

2488
01:56:15,169 --> 01:56:12,420
um what is it really is it it's it's

2489
01:56:16,490 --> 01:56:15,179
happening up here right it's caused up

2490
01:56:19,010 --> 01:56:16,500
here and then

2491
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:19,020
later is interpreted by the body so what

2492
01:56:24,050 --> 01:56:20,400
is all that

2493
01:56:27,950 --> 01:56:24,060
um teach machines to do that okay and if

2494
01:56:29,390 --> 01:56:27,960
if we have uh I'm just talking about our

2495
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,400
Milky Way I'm not talking about

2496
01:56:35,089 --> 01:56:31,440
Andromeda you know let's just talk about

2497
01:56:37,550 --> 01:56:35,099
us right the Milky Way if we have you

2498
01:56:40,910 --> 01:56:37,560
know 50 billion earth-like planets here

2499
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:40,920
in the Milky Way which we do and you

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01:56:45,169 --> 01:56:43,199
take a small percentage of that and you

2501
01:56:47,870 --> 01:56:45,179
know how many have intelligent life

2502
01:56:51,290 --> 01:56:47,880
beyond our own a very small percentage

2503
01:56:52,790 --> 01:56:51,300
you're still talking about tens of

2504
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:52,800
Millions

2505
01:56:57,470 --> 01:56:55,440
right each billion has a thousand

2506
01:57:01,430 --> 01:56:57,480
million in it right so if you've got 50

2507
01:57:05,390 --> 01:57:01,440
billion that's 50

2508
01:57:06,589 --> 01:57:05,400
000 Millions right right this is a

2509
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:06,599
really big number that we're talking

2510
01:57:11,390 --> 01:57:10,080
about yeah so if that's the case and

2511
01:57:14,830 --> 01:57:11,400
they're Advanced and they're building

2512
01:57:17,930 --> 01:57:14,840
probes self-replicating self-building

2513
01:57:19,790 --> 01:57:17,940
Von Neumann probes out mapping the

2514
01:57:21,890 --> 01:57:19,800
universe which is what we're doing now

2515
01:57:24,169 --> 01:57:21,900
it's what we're doing we're discovering

2516
01:57:27,290 --> 01:57:24,179
exoplanets right right and if they're

2517
01:57:29,270 --> 01:57:27,300
out there doing it how many different

2518
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:29,280
civilizations

2519
01:57:33,890 --> 01:57:32,159
have have visited this planet just just

2520
01:57:35,689 --> 01:57:33,900
one time with the probe and did a

2521
01:57:38,750 --> 01:57:35,699
drive-by yeah it's got to be an

2522
01:57:41,570 --> 01:57:38,760
extraordinarily large number right yeah

2523
01:57:43,070 --> 01:57:41,580
huge number huge number I think a lot of

2524
01:57:44,689 --> 01:57:43,080
these things are just basically tourists

2525
01:57:46,250 --> 01:57:44,699
right

2526
01:57:47,990 --> 01:57:46,260
you know they're just interest they're

2527
01:57:50,390 --> 01:57:48,000
just curious they're looking at

2528
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:50,400
something at a at a civilization in its

2529
01:57:56,030 --> 01:57:52,560
infancy right

2530
01:57:57,830 --> 01:57:56,040
we haven't evolved past uh our own

2531
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:57,840
destruction yet we haven't passed that

2532
01:58:02,990 --> 01:57:59,760
test

2533
01:58:05,450 --> 01:58:03,000
um I think that techno technologically

2534
01:58:07,010 --> 01:58:05,460
obviously we have passed surpassed the

2535
01:58:08,870 --> 01:58:07,020
ability to destroy one another to

2536
01:58:12,350 --> 01:58:08,880
destroy ourselves

2537
01:58:14,570 --> 01:58:12,360
but I think civilizations like us rise

2538
01:58:17,689 --> 01:58:14,580
and fall on other planets

2539
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:17,699
um destroy them destroy themselves so

2540
01:58:22,010 --> 01:58:19,679
one arises and destroys itself another

2541
01:58:25,970 --> 01:58:22,020
arises and destroys itself another

2542
01:58:28,189 --> 01:58:25,980
arises and somehow both spiritually

2543
01:58:31,129 --> 01:58:28,199
intellectually evolves at the same cases

2544
01:58:33,649 --> 01:58:31,139
as technology so that it doesn't do that

2545
01:58:35,089 --> 01:58:33,659
I don't know if we've done that like you

2546
01:58:37,609 --> 01:58:35,099
know our our understanding of

2547
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:37,619
spirituality is is controlled I don't

2548
01:58:41,930 --> 01:58:40,080
want to you know offend anybody but

2549
01:58:43,729 --> 01:58:41,940
um you know look religion is a form of

2550
01:58:45,950 --> 01:58:43,739
control

2551
01:58:49,490 --> 01:58:45,960
um you know if you if you study all if

2552
01:58:52,070 --> 01:58:49,500
you if you study spirituality it's that

2553
01:58:54,709 --> 01:58:52,080
connection to God that is really the the

2554
01:58:56,930 --> 01:58:54,719
important thing right it's it's not it's

2555
01:58:58,609 --> 01:58:56,940
not standing in line at it in you know

2556
01:59:00,290 --> 01:58:58,619
being in a Pew or whatever I I was

2557
01:59:02,810 --> 01:59:00,300
raised Catholic

2558
01:59:05,330 --> 01:59:02,820
um I never felt that connection in

2559
01:59:07,189 --> 01:59:05,340
church but I did feel it elsewhere do

2560
01:59:10,129 --> 01:59:07,199
you know what I mean I did I went

2561
01:59:13,370 --> 01:59:10,139
through the same thing you know so I

2562
01:59:15,530 --> 01:59:13,380
wasn't raised Catholic I was baptized

2563
01:59:18,950 --> 01:59:15,540
Catholic and I think that my parents did

2564
01:59:21,109 --> 01:59:18,960
that because they had to in 1963. you

2565
01:59:24,530 --> 01:59:21,119
could hear a Catholic Family and not

2566
01:59:26,330 --> 01:59:24,540
baptize your children and not not and

2567
01:59:28,370 --> 01:59:26,340
I'm not against religion at all I think

2568
01:59:31,250 --> 01:59:28,380
there's there's a lot of good that comes

2569
01:59:33,050 --> 01:59:31,260
out of it you know when I was baptized

2570
01:59:35,330 --> 01:59:33,060
that was the last time I was in a church

2571
01:59:37,850 --> 01:59:35,340
for about 25 years is that right

2572
01:59:40,609 --> 01:59:37,860
probably I don't know until your wedding

2573
01:59:41,750 --> 01:59:40,619
day yeah I I don't remember a whole lot

2574
01:59:42,890 --> 01:59:41,760
of that

2575
01:59:44,990 --> 01:59:42,900
um we're going to take a break right

2576
01:59:49,370 --> 01:59:45,000
here when we come back I want to talk

2577
01:59:53,089 --> 01:59:49,380
about how ufology has as calculated and

2578
01:59:56,030 --> 01:59:53,099
looked at different types of alien races

2579
01:59:59,209 --> 01:59:56,040
that have visited this planet you have

2580
02:00:01,850 --> 01:59:59,219
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2582
02:00:07,070 --> 02:00:04,619
all of the research so I want to discuss

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have a brain and uh Steve Murillo uh I

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02:07:57,770 --> 02:07:55,199
don't know how you do it

2736
02:08:02,050 --> 02:07:57,780
um I I don't I don't you've been at this

2737
02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:02,060
for a very long time 20 years man

2738
02:08:08,930 --> 02:08:05,760
20 years yeah over 20 over 20 years now

2739
02:08:11,209 --> 02:08:08,940
wow chasing answers and chasing answers

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02:08:14,030 --> 02:08:11,219
right you're going to be doing this soon

2741
02:08:16,370 --> 02:08:14,040
brain Peak nine okay that sounds good

2742
02:08:18,470 --> 02:08:16,380
when you come over to the house I want

2743
02:08:22,669 --> 02:08:18,480
to get one of those so is that ozone the

2744
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:22,679
thunderstorm yeah yeah incredible

2745
02:08:28,490 --> 02:08:25,920
incredible yeah yeah I've got three one

2746
02:08:30,050 --> 02:08:28,500
in my car one in the bunker and one out

2747
02:08:32,990 --> 02:08:30,060
in the kitchen because

2748
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:33,000
I learned how to I taught myself how to

2749
02:08:39,890 --> 02:08:36,239
cook uh shrimp scampi or scampi okay

2750
02:08:44,390 --> 02:08:39,900
okay and man nothing plows through a

2751
02:08:48,050 --> 02:08:44,400
house like fresh garlic and butter and

2752
02:08:51,490 --> 02:08:48,060
onions on the stove and then then throw

2753
02:08:54,229 --> 02:08:51,500
some fresh shrimp into that right

2754
02:08:56,689 --> 02:08:54,239
you gotta have one of these humming

2755
02:08:57,589 --> 02:08:56,699
along right you know right next to the

2756
02:09:00,890 --> 02:08:57,599
stove

2757
02:09:03,470 --> 02:09:00,900
um next time you come over

2758
02:09:05,450 --> 02:09:03,480
shrimp scampi man oh man let's do it

2759
02:09:09,410 --> 02:09:05,460
that sounds awesome so you know what

2760
02:09:12,589 --> 02:09:09,420
though it's pretty easy uh it's you know

2761
02:09:14,709 --> 02:09:12,599
you think it's you know but uh man I'm

2762
02:09:18,589 --> 02:09:14,719
gonna do it after the show tonight

2763
02:09:22,550 --> 02:09:18,599
yeah yeah now that I've you know anyone

2764
02:09:23,229 --> 02:09:22,560
hungry are you okay so I'm starving

2765
02:09:26,450 --> 02:09:23,239
um

2766
02:09:29,089 --> 02:09:26,460
uh how many

2767
02:09:32,629 --> 02:09:29,099
I mean do you sit and and start

2768
02:09:34,910 --> 02:09:32,639
calculating uh when you have a presenter

2769
02:09:37,870 --> 02:09:34,920
and guest after guest after a guest you

2770
02:09:42,169 --> 02:09:37,880
know for 20 years uh here in Los Angeles

2771
02:09:44,390 --> 02:09:42,179
presenting contact races I've been at

2772
02:09:47,030 --> 02:09:44,400
the mufon meetings I've been at upars

2773
02:09:50,270 --> 02:09:47,040
right where you've got the the big

2774
02:09:52,729 --> 02:09:50,280
screen in the background and one alien

2775
02:09:56,149 --> 02:09:52,739
race after another and somebody talking

2776
02:10:00,290 --> 02:09:56,159
about their contact experiences have you

2777
02:10:02,030 --> 02:10:00,300
counted now how many different yes as

2778
02:10:03,649 --> 02:10:02,040
far as I'm conc you touched on this

2779
02:10:07,550 --> 02:10:03,659
earlier if there's one there's Millions

2780
02:10:10,550 --> 02:10:07,560
right right if there is one there are

2781
02:10:12,709 --> 02:10:10,560
millions and they've for the most part

2782
02:10:14,209 --> 02:10:12,719
left us alone they've come maybe visited

2783
02:10:16,490 --> 02:10:14,219
look looked at us through the portals of

2784
02:10:18,470 --> 02:10:16,500
their craft and some of but some have

2785
02:10:19,810 --> 02:10:18,480
landed some have made contact and some

2786
02:10:22,370 --> 02:10:19,820
have had Direct

2787
02:10:24,890 --> 02:10:22,380
relationships with us right the whole

2788
02:10:27,649 --> 02:10:24,900
abduction experience in Grays that's

2789
02:10:29,270 --> 02:10:27,659
real right and and what are those things

2790
02:10:32,629 --> 02:10:29,280
I don't know are there automatons are

2791
02:10:35,089 --> 02:10:32,639
they you know are they uh carbon-based

2792
02:10:36,589 --> 02:10:35,099
automatons I don't know uh that's what a

2793
02:10:38,510 --> 02:10:36,599
lot of people report that they just they

2794
02:10:40,010 --> 02:10:38,520
can't think on the Fly they're not which

2795
02:10:41,629 --> 02:10:40,020
doesn't make sense you would think an

2796
02:10:43,850 --> 02:10:41,639
advanced race even if they're making a

2797
02:10:47,270 --> 02:10:43,860
clone right or a little robot the thing

2798
02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:47,280
would be very very very smart you got to

2799
02:10:51,169 --> 02:10:49,440
dumb it down I guess you got to dumb it

2800
02:10:53,629 --> 02:10:51,179
down I don't know if it's only going to

2801
02:10:55,970 --> 02:10:53,639
do a few tasks maybe right something

2802
02:10:58,250 --> 02:10:55,980
about that doesn't make sense to me

2803
02:10:59,750 --> 02:10:58,260
but at any rate I mean even in the uh

2804
02:11:01,189 --> 02:10:59,760
the 50s and 60s there were people

2805
02:11:03,770 --> 02:11:01,199
claiming that the government had already

2806
02:11:05,689 --> 02:11:03,780
made contact with you know tens tens of

2807
02:11:07,370 --> 02:11:05,699
of being you know like 56 or whatever

2808
02:11:10,850 --> 02:11:07,380
the number was you know we've already

2809
02:11:13,250 --> 02:11:10,860
cataloged 76 races I think Richard Doty

2810
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:13,260
uh you know gave a presentation where he

2811
02:11:18,169 --> 02:11:15,840
said at that time when he was allegedly

2812
02:11:19,609 --> 02:11:18,179
involved with Area 51

2813
02:11:22,669 --> 02:11:19,619
um that they had already cataloged like

2814
02:11:25,669 --> 02:11:22,679
76 different races of beings you know

2815
02:11:28,430 --> 02:11:25,679
the humanoids the the the Grays the you

2816
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:28,440
know the nordics the reptilians the you

2817
02:11:32,390 --> 02:11:30,480
know this and that and all the varieties

2818
02:11:35,390 --> 02:11:32,400
in between so

2819
02:11:37,129 --> 02:11:35,400
um yeah it to me if they're if they're

2820
02:11:38,750 --> 02:11:37,139
one I'm not surprised you know when

2821
02:11:41,689 --> 02:11:38,760
somebody says I saw something look like

2822
02:11:43,430 --> 02:11:41,699
a turnip with claws right it looked like

2823
02:11:45,229 --> 02:11:43,440
a turnip with a thing coming out and

2824
02:11:48,290 --> 02:11:45,239
things come out here one on the top and

2825
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:48,300
big claws you know okay

2826
02:11:53,149 --> 02:11:49,920
if that's what you saw that's what you

2827
02:11:55,850 --> 02:11:53,159
saw well why not no exactly that's my

2828
02:11:58,550 --> 02:11:55,860
point I mean like they would come in all

2829
02:12:00,050 --> 02:11:58,560
shapes and sizes I mean what about what

2830
02:12:02,510 --> 02:12:00,060
do most people report in the abduction

2831
02:12:04,850 --> 02:12:02,520
experience or not most a lot

2832
02:12:07,250 --> 02:12:04,860
uh what do they report as the governing

2833
02:12:10,370 --> 02:12:07,260
being right it's a seven foot tall

2834
02:12:12,350 --> 02:12:10,380
praying mantis praying mantis right yeah

2835
02:12:14,270 --> 02:12:12,360
seven foot tall frame or eight foot tall

2836
02:12:16,550 --> 02:12:14,280
praying man is huge and it's the one

2837
02:12:17,870 --> 02:12:16,560
directing everybody else and what do

2838
02:12:20,689 --> 02:12:17,880
they experience in the communications

2839
02:12:24,290 --> 02:12:20,699
with this thing profound feelings of

2840
02:12:26,209 --> 02:12:24,300
love kindness kindness and love right

2841
02:12:29,330 --> 02:12:26,219
where the but the whole experience is

2842
02:12:31,129 --> 02:12:29,340
like is totally you know not that

2843
02:12:32,390 --> 02:12:31,139
but yet somehow the key the

2844
02:12:35,149 --> 02:12:32,400
communication or the connection with

2845
02:12:37,550 --> 02:12:35,159
this being is kindness and love

2846
02:12:40,010 --> 02:12:37,560
so that's a very confusing phenomenon to

2847
02:12:46,669 --> 02:12:43,850
when when uh here's how I have changed

2848
02:12:47,750 --> 02:12:46,679
and I think ufology has evolved in the

2849
02:12:50,330 --> 02:12:47,760
same way

2850
02:12:53,629 --> 02:12:50,340
when I was a kid

2851
02:12:55,790 --> 02:12:53,639
um young and you've seen these UFO

2852
02:12:58,609 --> 02:12:55,800
movies Alien movies in in these

2853
02:13:02,030 --> 02:12:58,619
different insectoid creatures of the big

2854
02:13:03,950 --> 02:13:02,040
eyes and antenna sure and and reptilian

2855
02:13:07,069 --> 02:13:03,960
whatever

2856
02:13:08,510 --> 02:13:07,079
um all those B movies from the 50s and

2857
02:13:09,770 --> 02:13:08,520
it must have been a contest to who could

2858
02:13:12,649 --> 02:13:09,780
come up with the best monster right

2859
02:13:14,629 --> 02:13:12,659
right the best alien and I would and I

2860
02:13:19,310 --> 02:13:14,639
would always dismiss it

2861
02:13:21,470 --> 02:13:19,320
but now that I understand the size of

2862
02:13:24,290 --> 02:13:21,480
the universe and the size of the Milky

2863
02:13:25,790 --> 02:13:24,300
Way and what is actually going on out

2864
02:13:26,709 --> 02:13:25,800
there

2865
02:13:28,330 --> 02:13:26,719
um

2866
02:13:31,010 --> 02:13:28,340
everything

2867
02:13:35,810 --> 02:13:31,020
has been visiting this planet right

2868
02:13:38,689 --> 02:13:35,820
every you and I Steve look at it look at

2869
02:13:46,490 --> 02:13:42,050
we are aliens to another

2870
02:13:49,189 --> 02:13:46,500
planet we are ET right they come here we

2871
02:13:52,370 --> 02:13:49,199
go to another planet oh we're the look

2872
02:13:54,950 --> 02:13:52,380
aliens right okay right that's what they

2873
02:13:57,290 --> 02:13:54,960
are thinking when they come here and if

2874
02:13:58,669 --> 02:13:57,300
they encounter the two of us they're

2875
02:14:02,330 --> 02:13:58,679
gonna think we're from two different

2876
02:14:04,069 --> 02:14:02,340
planets yeah they are we we don't and

2877
02:14:05,450 --> 02:14:04,079
you know they go back you know they go

2878
02:14:06,470 --> 02:14:05,460
back to their own people well what you

2879
02:14:09,410 --> 02:14:06,480
see

2880
02:14:11,810 --> 02:14:09,420
well I don't really know they they were

2881
02:14:14,270 --> 02:14:11,820
sort of dishapen they didn't look the

2882
02:14:16,310 --> 02:14:14,280
same there was there was no symmetry to

2883
02:14:18,410 --> 02:14:16,320
them at all you know half the face was

2884
02:14:19,609 --> 02:14:18,420
wrong and it was off by millimeters you

2885
02:14:21,830 --> 02:14:19,619
know on the one side and they all had

2886
02:14:24,350 --> 02:14:21,840
the same kind of look but they were soft

2887
02:14:25,490 --> 02:14:24,360
and spongy oh my God I couldn't stand in

2888
02:14:28,609 --> 02:14:25,500
the room with them for much longer than

2889
02:14:30,350 --> 02:14:28,619
about a minute really yeah I'm an

2890
02:14:32,410 --> 02:14:30,360
insectoid thank God you look the same as

2891
02:14:36,350 --> 02:14:32,420
me think you know yeah right

2892
02:14:39,970 --> 02:14:36,360
right one guy was short and fat and

2893
02:14:42,770 --> 02:14:39,980
yelling not a guy

2894
02:14:43,870 --> 02:14:42,780
yeah and they were dumb they were so

2895
02:14:46,370 --> 02:14:43,880
dumb

2896
02:14:48,250 --> 02:14:46,380
we couldn't communicate with them you

2897
02:14:50,870 --> 02:14:48,260
know we tried some basic abstract

2898
02:14:52,370 --> 02:14:50,880
geometry and they just looked at us they

2899
02:14:55,189 --> 02:14:52,380
didn't know what to do and didn't know

2900
02:14:58,490 --> 02:14:55,199
what to do and and and and and then we

2901
02:15:01,089 --> 02:14:58,500
question somebody that describes what

2902
02:15:04,370 --> 02:15:01,099
they have seen and I want to talk

2903
02:15:07,069 --> 02:15:04,380
specifically about one of your little

2904
02:15:09,770 --> 02:15:07,079
research Expeditions uh

2905
02:15:11,089 --> 02:15:09,780
um to a place not too far from where I

2906
02:15:15,050 --> 02:15:11,099
am at

2907
02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:15,060
um which was Pine Mountain oh yeah now

2908
02:15:22,069 --> 02:15:17,760
um Pine Mountain it's Pine Mountain Club

2909
02:15:23,750 --> 02:15:22,079
is a private Community town city it's

2910
02:15:27,350 --> 02:15:23,760
got its own fire department its own

2911
02:15:29,330 --> 02:15:27,360
stores its own school system uh its own

2912
02:15:31,250 --> 02:15:29,340
Police Department

2913
02:15:34,370 --> 02:15:31,260
um uh in a little golf course in the

2914
02:15:37,189 --> 02:15:34,380
middle of it nice little Golf Course too

2915
02:15:38,169 --> 02:15:37,199
and uh so anyway I've been to Pine

2916
02:15:41,629 --> 02:15:38,179
Mountain

2917
02:15:44,930 --> 02:15:41,639
and uh when I was there

2918
02:15:46,970 --> 02:15:44,940
I started asking uh people including

2919
02:15:48,169 --> 02:15:46,980
some of my relatives that own a house up

2920
02:15:50,030 --> 02:15:48,179
there

2921
02:15:52,810 --> 02:15:50,040
um you guys heard about the the UFO

2922
02:15:55,729 --> 02:15:52,820
landing and they pointed

2923
02:15:58,490 --> 02:15:55,739
across the VA to the side of the

2924
02:16:00,290 --> 02:15:58,500
mountain where no trees are growing and

2925
02:16:03,530 --> 02:16:00,300
you can see it right it's cleared out oh

2926
02:16:07,189 --> 02:16:03,540
yeah it landed right there and I was

2927
02:16:10,370 --> 02:16:07,199
like really so everybody knows about it

2928
02:16:13,669 --> 02:16:10,380
um but in the UFO Community this isn't a

2929
02:16:16,250 --> 02:16:13,679
big case and it should be so you you

2930
02:16:19,149 --> 02:16:16,260
head up I I think you had mistretta with

2931
02:16:22,970 --> 02:16:19,159
you yep I had both with me too all right

2932
02:16:25,129 --> 02:16:22,980
with me it was oh God if I could

2933
02:16:27,950 --> 02:16:25,139
remember I think it was 2012. I want to

2934
02:16:32,330 --> 02:16:27,960
say it was 2012. 10 years ago yeah yeah

2935
02:16:33,709 --> 02:16:32,340
and uh Bill Casey the former uh field uh

2936
02:16:36,230 --> 02:16:33,719
you know lead field investigator from

2937
02:16:38,270 --> 02:16:36,240
mufon La he passed that on to Alex

2938
02:16:39,950 --> 02:16:38,280
anyway he used to keep tabs with me and

2939
02:16:41,209 --> 02:16:39,960
call me every now and see how he had

2940
02:16:44,750 --> 02:16:41,219
retired

2941
02:16:47,809 --> 02:16:44,760
and he goes um Steve I got a call last

2942
02:16:49,849 --> 02:16:47,819
night from a friend of mine who lives in

2943
02:16:51,830 --> 02:16:49,859
a place called Pine Mountain you ever

2944
02:16:53,750 --> 02:16:51,840
heard of it no

2945
02:16:56,990 --> 02:16:53,760
evidently there was something that went

2946
02:16:58,370 --> 02:16:57,000
down there and uh she'd like to talk to

2947
02:17:00,110 --> 02:16:58,380
somebody about it do you think you could

2948
02:17:00,889 --> 02:17:00,120
give her a call of course give me your

2949
02:17:03,110 --> 02:17:00,899
number

2950
02:17:05,629 --> 02:17:03,120
so you know I call this lady she

2951
02:17:07,250 --> 02:17:05,639
described it let me interrupt really

2952
02:17:10,490 --> 02:17:07,260
quick for the audience

2953
02:17:11,830 --> 02:17:10,500
Pine Mountain the Pine Mountain Club is

2954
02:17:15,490 --> 02:17:11,840
about

2955
02:17:18,530 --> 02:17:15,500
50 60 miles north of Los Angeles

2956
02:17:20,929 --> 02:17:18,540
in the middle of the Grapevine

2957
02:17:24,530 --> 02:17:20,939
um it's a major Park area you turn off

2958
02:17:26,570 --> 02:17:24,540
the freeway Park area and so once you

2959
02:17:29,150 --> 02:17:26,580
get off the freeway you drive into the

2960
02:17:31,549 --> 02:17:29,160
mountains up up up for another

2961
02:17:34,910 --> 02:17:31,559
probably 20 25 miles 20 minutes yeah

2962
02:17:38,750 --> 02:17:34,920
yeah and and then you arrive

2963
02:17:41,330 --> 02:17:38,760
and it's a private Town completely

2964
02:17:42,650 --> 02:17:41,340
isolated from Humanity you go there

2965
02:17:45,349 --> 02:17:42,660
because you don't want to be around

2966
02:17:46,910 --> 02:17:45,359
people that's right it's Gotta it's kind

2967
02:17:48,669 --> 02:17:46,920
of it's got a funny vibe to it doesn't

2968
02:17:53,089 --> 02:17:48,679
matter

2969
02:17:58,849 --> 02:17:53,099
at the grocery stores as grocery store

2970
02:18:02,150 --> 02:17:58,859
right yeah yeah Italian restaurant

2971
02:18:05,389 --> 02:18:02,160
um a Mexican food so but that's that's

2972
02:18:09,110 --> 02:18:05,399
it they have uh their own thing going on

2973
02:18:11,570 --> 02:18:09,120
up there and so for a UFO landing

2974
02:18:14,330 --> 02:18:11,580
sighting and contact experience to

2975
02:18:16,429 --> 02:18:14,340
happen in a private town right it's a

2976
02:18:18,230 --> 02:18:16,439
private Community uh was pretty

2977
02:18:20,330 --> 02:18:18,240
extraordinary I had never heard of Pine

2978
02:18:23,030 --> 02:18:20,340
Mountain Club until you told me about it

2979
02:18:25,370 --> 02:18:23,040
yeah um and then you know I had a

2980
02:18:27,290 --> 02:18:25,380
relative buy a house there and that was

2981
02:18:30,530 --> 02:18:27,300
pretty interesting because I was able to

2982
02:18:34,370 --> 02:18:30,540
visit so that's where that's what Pine

2983
02:18:36,830 --> 02:18:34,380
Mountain Club is unless you are on a

2984
02:18:38,809 --> 02:18:36,840
need to know basis you probably are

2985
02:18:41,690 --> 02:18:38,819
never going to know about Pine Mountain

2986
02:18:43,549 --> 02:18:41,700
Club so you hear about it you get the

2987
02:18:46,490 --> 02:18:43,559
video cameras you get the team together

2988
02:18:49,309 --> 02:18:46,500
and you head up there what happens okay

2989
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:49,319
so we set up you know I call this lady

2990
02:18:52,910 --> 02:18:51,120
and set up an appointment for the next

2991
02:18:54,650 --> 02:18:52,920
morning to come out and see her because

2992
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:54,660
you know we weren't just going to drop

2993
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:56,160
everything and I got a hold of Alex I

2994
02:19:00,290 --> 02:18:58,080
got a hold of uh wolf

2995
02:19:01,509 --> 02:19:00,300
we piled into my International Harvester

2996
02:19:03,830 --> 02:19:01,519
Scout

2997
02:19:05,389 --> 02:19:03,840
and uh and drove out there the next

2998
02:19:06,830 --> 02:19:05,399
morning bright and early and we made an

2999
02:19:09,830 --> 02:19:06,840
appointment with her to meet us at the

3000
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:09,840
one little restaurant at like eight in

3001
02:19:13,910 --> 02:19:10,800
the morning

3002
02:19:17,209 --> 02:19:13,920
and she was a nice lady she was the

3003
02:19:19,610 --> 02:19:17,219
town's yoga instructor and masseuse for

3004
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:19,620
the town you know and nice lady

3005
02:19:23,389 --> 02:19:22,080
and she lived up on a little uh kind of

3006
02:19:25,549 --> 02:19:23,399
on one of the hills you know that

3007
02:19:27,950 --> 02:19:25,559
overlooks the town so yeah Pine Mountain

3008
02:19:30,169 --> 02:19:27,960
is sort of in a valley you know the town

3009
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:30,179
itself the the you know all the

3010
02:19:32,570 --> 02:19:31,439
you know the grocery store and

3011
02:19:34,490 --> 02:19:32,580
everything are sort of in the bottom of

3012
02:19:36,530 --> 02:19:34,500
the valley and then you have one road

3013
02:19:40,009 --> 02:19:36,540
that goes through it and then people

3014
02:19:41,389 --> 02:19:40,019
live up on the mountains so she had the

3015
02:19:42,469 --> 02:19:41,399
Spanish Point she was watching a movie I

3016
02:19:45,469 --> 02:19:42,479
don't know she was watching it was 11

3017
02:19:48,110 --> 02:19:45,479
o'clock at night roundabout and through

3018
02:19:49,250 --> 02:19:48,120
her window a bright light you know it

3019
02:19:50,510 --> 02:19:49,260
was hitting her in the face as she's

3020
02:19:51,710 --> 02:19:50,520
trying to watch her movie and it's so

3021
02:19:54,650 --> 02:19:51,720
it's obnoxious and she figures

3022
02:19:56,929 --> 02:19:54,660
somebody's got their headlights on and

3023
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:56,939
uh you know brights and you know it's

3024
02:20:01,790 --> 02:19:58,560
somehow coming into her house so she

3025
02:20:04,730 --> 02:20:01,800
goes out to the window to look and what

3026
02:20:07,969 --> 02:20:04,740
she sees this is what she describes a

3027
02:20:11,210 --> 02:20:07,979
lot or an RV shaped

3028
02:20:13,429 --> 02:20:11,220
thing glowing mostly white but with a

3029
02:20:16,190 --> 02:20:13,439
bluish tint to it

3030
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:16,200
and it's coming down the valley you know

3031
02:20:21,050 --> 02:20:18,479
from from her left to right kind of like

3032
02:20:22,849 --> 02:20:21,060
passing in front of her house

3033
02:20:25,610 --> 02:20:22,859
and in front of it

3034
02:20:28,250 --> 02:20:25,620
ahead of it is somebody in a sports car

3035
02:20:30,050 --> 02:20:28,260
or some kind of car running from it and

3036
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:30,060
she can hear the tires screeching as

3037
02:20:33,650 --> 02:20:31,920
he's making the turns or if he or she is

3038
02:20:34,670 --> 02:20:33,660
making the turns trying to get away from

3039
02:20:36,770 --> 02:20:34,680
this thing

3040
02:20:38,570 --> 02:20:36,780
and it's coming in and then it passes

3041
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:38,580
you know it passes by where she can no

3042
02:20:42,770 --> 02:20:40,800
longer see it and uh and it's coming

3043
02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:42,780
down in a downward fashion so it looks

3044
02:20:46,670 --> 02:20:44,640
like it's coming down to land and this

3045
02:20:49,309 --> 02:20:46,680
and this car is like tearing you know

3046
02:20:52,190 --> 02:20:49,319
like in Terror running from it

3047
02:20:53,510 --> 02:20:52,200
that's what she saw her girlfriend is

3048
02:20:56,330 --> 02:20:53,520
across town

3049
02:20:58,490 --> 02:20:56,340
and the girlfriend calls her and says do

3050
02:21:00,410 --> 02:20:58,500
you see this and now they're talking

3051
02:21:01,670 --> 02:21:00,420
about what they're both seeing and this

3052
02:21:03,590 --> 02:21:01,680
lady is seeing something a little bit

3053
02:21:06,170 --> 02:21:03,600
different laws she describes it the

3054
02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:06,180
other second lady too describes it as

3055
02:21:11,870 --> 02:21:07,920
lozmanship she was also at the meeting

3056
02:21:13,910 --> 02:21:11,880
by the way she and her husband so

3057
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:13,920
um the yoga instructor invited her to

3058
02:21:17,870 --> 02:21:16,080
you know meet with us as well so they

3059
02:21:20,090 --> 02:21:17,880
described something that looked lozen

3060
02:21:20,990 --> 02:21:20,100
shape but quite large and falling like a

3061
02:21:26,330 --> 02:21:21,000
leaf

3062
02:21:28,070 --> 02:21:26,340
that's how they saw it

3063
02:21:29,630 --> 02:21:28,080
um and so we interviewed them and they

3064
02:21:31,010 --> 02:21:29,640
gave their their testimony and all that

3065
02:21:32,990 --> 02:21:31,020
and you know when you're looking at

3066
02:21:35,030 --> 02:21:33,000
somebody face to face in the eye you can

3067
02:21:36,230 --> 02:21:35,040
tell that they're not embellishing

3068
02:21:39,710 --> 02:21:36,240
they're not making it up they're just

3069
02:21:41,870 --> 02:21:39,720
reliving it right and the the couple's

3070
02:21:42,950 --> 02:21:41,880
doing the same thing and like okay now

3071
02:21:45,230 --> 02:21:42,960
we got something here we have

3072
02:21:47,450 --> 02:21:45,240
corroborating uh Witnesses from

3073
02:21:49,429 --> 02:21:47,460
different Vantage points kind of telling

3074
02:21:51,710 --> 02:21:49,439
us where they thought it went down

3075
02:21:53,330 --> 02:21:51,720
and then this one person pipes up

3076
02:21:55,130 --> 02:21:53,340
because everybody in the town was

3077
02:21:56,510 --> 02:21:55,140
everybody in the restaurant stopped what

3078
02:21:58,010 --> 02:21:56,520
they were doing was listening to this

3079
02:22:01,670 --> 02:21:58,020
right and everybody knows everybody in

3080
02:22:04,570 --> 02:22:01,680
this little town they do they yeah it's

3081
02:22:08,290 --> 02:22:04,580
Stafford wives man it is it's bizarre so

3082
02:22:11,450 --> 02:22:08,300
they say somebody I don't know who says

3083
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:11,460
oh so and so was talking about that this

3084
02:22:14,210 --> 02:22:12,960
morning at the laundromat you should

3085
02:22:18,770 --> 02:22:14,220
talk to her

3086
02:22:21,950 --> 02:22:18,780
oh okay so we get her name we we go to

3087
02:22:23,570 --> 02:22:21,960
the Pine Mountain Club Golf Course golf

3088
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:23,580
course because after this interview it's

3089
02:22:26,630 --> 02:22:25,680
probably nine o'clock we go to the golf

3090
02:22:29,030 --> 02:22:26,640
course

3091
02:22:32,150 --> 02:22:29,040
somebody might have suggested it to find

3092
02:22:34,610 --> 02:22:32,160
the phone book of the town and we looked

3093
02:22:35,750 --> 02:22:34,620
up the lady whose name we were given we

3094
02:22:38,510 --> 02:22:35,760
called her

3095
02:22:42,230 --> 02:22:38,520
and she said come on over

3096
02:22:45,050 --> 02:22:42,240
so now we've got the yoga instructor uh

3097
02:22:47,450 --> 02:22:45,060
the the gal the husband stayed back and

3098
02:22:49,130 --> 02:22:47,460
us you know in two different cars and we

3099
02:22:51,770 --> 02:22:49,140
go over to see this lady

3100
02:22:54,530 --> 02:22:51,780
now she gives something similar to what

3101
02:22:57,050 --> 02:22:54,540
the couple saw she says the night before

3102
02:22:59,630 --> 02:22:57,060
at about 11 o'clock

3103
02:23:02,809 --> 02:22:59,640
she let her dog out to go you know do

3104
02:23:04,730 --> 02:23:02,819
his business as she normally did

3105
02:23:06,650 --> 02:23:04,740
and the dog went out for a few seconds

3106
02:23:08,630 --> 02:23:06,660
and then came bolting back through the

3107
02:23:10,250 --> 02:23:08,640
door and she lived right on the edge of

3108
02:23:11,630 --> 02:23:10,260
the forest I should set that up okay she

3109
02:23:13,610 --> 02:23:11,640
live in a little house a little cabin

3110
02:23:16,010 --> 02:23:13,620
kind of thing at the edge of this

3111
02:23:17,870 --> 02:23:16,020
clearing you're talking about okay that

3112
02:23:20,510 --> 02:23:17,880
clearing that you just described yes

3113
02:23:22,490 --> 02:23:20,520
nothing grows there it's about the size

3114
02:23:25,250 --> 02:23:22,500
of that clearing is probably about four

3115
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:25,260
football fields by it's it's big it's a

3116
02:23:28,190 --> 02:23:26,880
bit big it's big you can if you go to

3117
02:23:29,630 --> 02:23:28,200
Google Maps and pull this thing up

3118
02:23:31,429 --> 02:23:29,640
you'll see that thing it's like a big

3119
02:23:35,990 --> 02:23:31,439
bald spot nothing you can see nothing

3120
02:23:37,429 --> 02:23:36,000
grows there yeah nothing grows there it

3121
02:23:39,770 --> 02:23:37,439
did crazy

3122
02:23:42,230 --> 02:23:39,780
this is It's called Pine Mountain Club

3123
02:23:45,590 --> 02:23:42,240
for a reason it's covered in pine trees

3124
02:23:49,130 --> 02:23:45,600
yeah this is a ski it snows it's

3125
02:23:52,910 --> 02:23:49,140
gorgeous and and you have nothing but

3126
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:52,920
green every house there is in in in in

3127
02:23:58,910 --> 02:23:57,120
in in in woods in Forest except for this

3128
02:24:02,570 --> 02:23:58,920
spot on the side of the mountain where

3129
02:24:04,010 --> 02:24:02,580
this UFO landed it's it's it's big I

3130
02:24:07,250 --> 02:24:04,020
couldn't believe it when they pointed

3131
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:07,260
they go it was right there yeah and I'm

3132
02:24:11,450 --> 02:24:08,160
like

3133
02:24:15,190 --> 02:24:11,460
it's the only bald spot for a hundred

3134
02:24:17,650 --> 02:24:15,200
miles yeah it's it's bounced

3135
02:24:20,690 --> 02:24:17,660
okay so then

3136
02:24:22,429 --> 02:24:20,700
she's in that bald spot yeah yeah she's

3137
02:24:24,050 --> 02:24:22,439
she's right up she's right at the edge

3138
02:24:25,130 --> 02:24:24,060
of the bald spot right there's there's a

3139
02:24:26,330 --> 02:24:25,140
little bit of force and then the ball

3140
02:24:28,790 --> 02:24:26,340
spot

3141
02:24:30,349 --> 02:24:28,800
so the dog comes running back in kind of

3142
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:30,359
whimpering crying right and she thought

3143
02:24:32,929 --> 02:24:32,160
that was a German Shepherd you know big

3144
02:24:34,969 --> 02:24:32,939
dog

3145
02:24:37,730 --> 02:24:34,979
and she thought that was strange so she

3146
02:24:38,929 --> 02:24:37,740
goes out thinking it's a bear or some

3147
02:24:44,750 --> 02:24:38,939
other animal

3148
02:24:47,450 --> 02:24:44,760
she looks out now this is what she says

3149
02:24:52,070 --> 02:24:47,460
she says she sees

3150
02:24:55,370 --> 02:24:52,080
this being peeking at her from behind

3151
02:24:58,790 --> 02:24:55,380
a uh a tree a pine tree

3152
02:25:01,370 --> 02:24:58,800
so she says that it looked like it had

3153
02:25:02,929 --> 02:25:01,380
it had like a silver face to it big eyes

3154
02:25:03,889 --> 02:25:02,939
she described kind of like the typical

3155
02:25:06,650 --> 02:25:03,899
Gray

3156
02:25:08,870 --> 02:25:06,660
but she said it was metallic looking

3157
02:25:12,230 --> 02:25:08,880
and she could hear others or she thought

3158
02:25:14,389 --> 02:25:12,240
she heard other other beings back back

3159
02:25:17,330 --> 02:25:14,399
behind where it was in the bushes

3160
02:25:19,910 --> 02:25:17,340
she said then it ran off and she goes I

3161
02:25:21,889 --> 02:25:19,920
used to run track that thing ran faster

3162
02:25:24,410 --> 02:25:21,899
than anything I've ever seen

3163
02:25:26,870 --> 02:25:24,420
and you know it took off and that was

3164
02:25:28,790 --> 02:25:26,880
that was her experience

3165
02:25:31,670 --> 02:25:28,800
her neighbor

3166
02:25:34,250 --> 02:25:31,680
described seeing it come down her

3167
02:25:36,230 --> 02:25:34,260
neighbor was a um again it was about 11

3168
02:25:38,330 --> 02:25:36,240
o'clock and I neighbor was a younger man

3169
02:25:40,309 --> 02:25:38,340
I think it was in his 20s and he was

3170
02:25:43,190 --> 02:25:40,319
coming back from the bar pretty hammered

3171
02:25:46,070 --> 02:25:43,200
but he was walking right and he saw it

3172
02:25:48,050 --> 02:25:46,080
come down in the clearing he said and he

3173
02:25:49,670 --> 02:25:48,060
said it came down like a Falling Leaf he

3174
02:25:51,710 --> 02:25:49,680
described it

3175
02:25:53,929 --> 02:25:51,720
so we go out of course after we get her

3176
02:25:55,910 --> 02:25:53,939
testimony we you know we we took I took

3177
02:25:58,849 --> 02:25:55,920
video of all this her testimony

3178
02:26:01,130 --> 02:25:58,859
everything we had wolf stand by the tree

3179
02:26:02,389 --> 02:26:01,140
and kind of to get an idea of how big

3180
02:26:03,770 --> 02:26:02,399
this thing was and of course it was

3181
02:26:05,870 --> 02:26:03,780
about four foot tall you know she goes

3182
02:26:07,910 --> 02:26:05,880
no not that high a little bit lower not

3183
02:26:09,050 --> 02:26:07,920
that a little bit lower so he was about

3184
02:26:10,550 --> 02:26:09,060
four foot off the ground when she

3185
02:26:13,670 --> 02:26:10,560
finally said that's about right

3186
02:26:16,309 --> 02:26:13,680
so they weren't tall beings

3187
02:26:17,570 --> 02:26:16,319
um to her testimony so then we go out

3188
02:26:20,090 --> 02:26:17,580
into the clearing we're looking around

3189
02:26:22,130 --> 02:26:20,100
we did not find any like pad prints or

3190
02:26:24,770 --> 02:26:22,140
anything like that we did find some

3191
02:26:26,389 --> 02:26:24,780
strange things in that field like little

3192
02:26:27,950 --> 02:26:26,399
little altars where people had put

3193
02:26:31,550 --> 02:26:27,960
crystals and things like that we found

3194
02:26:33,590 --> 02:26:31,560
this group of trees uh in a circle I

3195
02:26:36,650 --> 02:26:33,600
think it was seven pine trees in like

3196
02:26:39,349 --> 02:26:36,660
evenly spaced in a circle at the end on

3197
02:26:41,330 --> 02:26:39,359
one edge of that of that big clearing

3198
02:26:43,670 --> 02:26:41,340
thing and people had posted all kinds of

3199
02:26:45,530 --> 02:26:43,680
crystals and weird things there so it's

3200
02:26:47,210 --> 02:26:45,540
kind of an off offbeat town man it's a

3201
02:26:51,170 --> 02:26:47,220
little weird Town

3202
02:26:53,809 --> 02:26:51,180
um okay so so that lady who saw the

3203
02:26:55,610 --> 02:26:53,819
beings uh she was very uh religious

3204
02:26:58,130 --> 02:26:55,620
they're very Christian

3205
02:27:00,230 --> 02:26:58,140
so that really interrupted her flow

3206
02:27:03,230 --> 02:27:00,240
right it Disturbed her a lot

3207
02:27:06,290 --> 02:27:03,240
and she'd call me periodically from then

3208
02:27:08,450 --> 02:27:06,300
just to kind of talk and uh you know

3209
02:27:09,650 --> 02:27:08,460
just to kind of hash out her thoughts at

3210
02:27:11,929 --> 02:27:09,660
the time

3211
02:27:14,690 --> 02:27:11,939
so fast forward

3212
02:27:15,950 --> 02:27:14,700
uh another a story she finally gets

3213
02:27:17,809 --> 02:27:15,960
around to telling me about a year to

3214
02:27:18,830 --> 02:27:17,819
year two years later about her son she

3215
02:27:20,870 --> 02:27:18,840
goes I want to tell you about my son

3216
02:27:23,389 --> 02:27:20,880
okay what's up

3217
02:27:28,010 --> 02:27:23,399
he

3218
02:27:30,110 --> 02:27:28,020
broker had a great marriage and all this

3219
02:27:31,250 --> 02:27:30,120
he started believing that he was an

3220
02:27:33,889 --> 02:27:31,260
abductee

3221
02:27:36,349 --> 02:27:33,899
and that he you know he he thinks he's

3222
02:27:38,389 --> 02:27:36,359
he thinks he's been taken up in in space

3223
02:27:40,490 --> 02:27:38,399
in in alien spacecraft and this and that

3224
02:27:41,690 --> 02:27:40,500
and he quit his job and he's getting a

3225
02:27:43,910 --> 02:27:41,700
divorce and he's going through all this

3226
02:27:45,889 --> 02:27:43,920
trauma and he's really gone out you know

3227
02:27:48,349 --> 02:27:45,899
I don't know what to make of all this

3228
02:27:50,809 --> 02:27:48,359
so I'm like you know I just

3229
02:27:52,969 --> 02:27:50,819
you know just listen to him talk to him

3230
02:27:54,650 --> 02:27:52,979
she calls me back maybe six months or a

3231
02:27:56,389 --> 02:27:54,660
year later I can't remember and she says

3232
02:27:57,950 --> 02:27:56,399
I had this meeting with my son he

3233
02:27:59,990 --> 02:27:57,960
finally came to visit me I go oh that's

3234
02:28:01,730 --> 02:28:00,000
good you know there's a truck stop right

3235
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off the freeway there it's a loves or

3236
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something like that and he asked if she

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if he if she could please meet him at

3238
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this truck stop so she drives out of

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town you know from the town to this

3240
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truck stop 20-minute drive to meet her

3241
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son for breakfast or dinner or whatever

3242
02:28:19,750 --> 02:28:16,979
and he's still at it with this story

3243
02:28:22,190 --> 02:28:19,760
about the UFOs right and she says

3244
02:28:24,349 --> 02:28:22,200
they're above they follow me around

3245
02:28:25,610 --> 02:28:24,359
they're above me right now you know and

3246
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they're in the restaurant he's telling

3247
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her these the story and she thinks my

3248
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son's lost it he's crazy

3249
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so they you know finally get done with

3250
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their meal or whatever and have in their

3251
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meeting and they're walking out of the

3252
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restaurant she's she tells me this story

3253
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they're walking out of the restaurant he

3254
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goes there it is and she looks up and

3255
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so then she didn't think her son was

3256
02:28:51,230 --> 02:28:49,680
going crazy she thought he was really

3257
02:28:54,969 --> 02:28:51,240
going through something

3258
02:28:57,469 --> 02:28:54,979
and uh yeah that's a weird place so

3259
02:29:00,110 --> 02:28:57,479
somehow the word got out that I was this

3260
02:29:00,950 --> 02:29:00,120
investigator up there blah blah I got a

3261
02:29:03,290 --> 02:29:00,960
call

3262
02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:03,300
maybe a year later uh from the first

3263
02:29:07,070 --> 02:29:06,000
time we had visited from this lady hey I

3264
02:29:08,690 --> 02:29:07,080
just want to tell you about my

3265
02:29:10,969 --> 02:29:08,700
experience I've lived in Pine Mountain

3266
02:29:12,590 --> 02:29:10,979
for most of my life you know and now I

3267
02:29:13,670 --> 02:29:12,600
live out of town but my mom still lives

3268
02:29:16,910 --> 02:29:13,680
there and I have to go visit her every

3269
02:29:18,130 --> 02:29:16,920
now and then I was driving uh okay Steve

3270
02:29:20,570 --> 02:29:18,140
Steve Steve

3271
02:29:22,429 --> 02:29:20,580
yeah let's say let's save this for after

3272
02:29:24,710 --> 02:29:22,439
the break because this is incredible

3273
02:29:26,330 --> 02:29:24,720
this is Fade to Black or guest night the

3274
02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:26,340
one and only Steve Morello we're talking

3275
02:29:32,929 --> 02:29:29,760
about the current state of ufology right

3276
02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:32,939
now this is Pine Mountain Club about 50

3277
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:36,800
60 miles north of uh Los Angeles

3278
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where a crazy sighting went down uh 10

3279
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years ago now we'll be right back after

3280
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this short break stay with us

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3385
02:35:03,170 --> 02:35:01,439
all right welcome back this is Fade to

3386
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Black I am your stupid church I was

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got how do I take my coffee

3389
02:35:21,889 --> 02:35:14,420
seriously

3390
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Steve do I take my coffee serious you

3391
02:35:33,170 --> 02:35:30,710
oh man and uh now

3392
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um oh check this out

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the fader knots are the best man man

3396
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those fader knots are incredible some of

3397
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the some of the things over the years

3398
02:35:50,270 --> 02:35:48,420
that the people have sent you you know

3399
02:35:52,450 --> 02:35:50,280
artwork

3400
02:35:55,250 --> 02:35:52,460
um you know just unbelievable you know

3401
02:35:57,710 --> 02:35:55,260
talented these people are awesome you

3402
02:36:03,050 --> 02:35:57,720
fader knots out there are awesome and

3403
02:36:06,349 --> 02:36:03,060
they they love you and uh now now

3404
02:36:10,070 --> 02:36:06,359
um uh Steve uh the reason

3405
02:36:14,110 --> 02:36:10,080
uh the reason why I I brought up uh Pine

3406
02:36:16,450 --> 02:36:14,120
Mountain Club uh because here

3407
02:36:20,510 --> 02:36:16,460
ufology

3408
02:36:23,270 --> 02:36:20,520
escapes into this too much is focused on

3409
02:36:25,070 --> 02:36:23,280
the big cases right and they want to

3410
02:36:26,510 --> 02:36:25,080
talk and I I understand why they want to

3411
02:36:28,870 --> 02:36:26,520
talk about Betty and Marty Hill or

3412
02:36:31,790 --> 02:36:28,880
Travis Walton or sure

3413
02:36:35,210 --> 02:36:31,800
Roswell and and you know the Phoenix

3414
02:36:38,510 --> 02:36:35,220
Lights I get all of that I do but there

3415
02:36:42,370 --> 02:36:38,520
are cases credible where this is an

3416
02:36:47,210 --> 02:36:42,380
entire town here in Southern California

3417
02:36:50,270 --> 02:36:47,220
witnessed this and uh you chose to

3418
02:36:54,170 --> 02:36:50,280
investigate it and this was the gift

3419
02:36:57,170 --> 02:36:54,180
that kept on giving uh for years and

3420
02:36:59,690 --> 02:36:57,180
this is what ufology needs to focus on I

3421
02:37:02,090 --> 02:36:59,700
don't think we need to uh get

3422
02:37:04,910 --> 02:37:02,100
comfortable you know with the Tic Tac is

3423
02:37:07,790 --> 02:37:04,920
great right Dave fraver is great right

3424
02:37:09,469 --> 02:37:07,800
Lou Elizondo fantastic you know and and

3425
02:37:11,090 --> 02:37:09,479
the efforts that's all important it's

3426
02:37:13,130 --> 02:37:11,100
all it's all part of the puzzle it's all

3427
02:37:16,090 --> 02:37:13,140
important part of the puzzle and in

3428
02:37:20,750 --> 02:37:16,100
cases like uh the Pine Mountain Club

3429
02:37:23,030 --> 02:37:20,760
need to be discussed and so here you go

3430
02:37:26,990 --> 02:37:23,040
up you know with wolf and Alex you guys

3431
02:37:28,730 --> 02:37:27,000
videotape you guys actually went to The

3432
02:37:31,250 --> 02:37:28,740
Landing site you're interviewing

3433
02:37:34,510 --> 02:37:31,260
Witnesses one thing leads to another

3434
02:37:37,309 --> 02:37:34,520
leads to another uh the truck stop

3435
02:37:39,889 --> 02:37:37,319
experience with the witness and her son

3436
02:37:42,170 --> 02:37:39,899
and him walking out and pointing up to

3437
02:37:43,969 --> 02:37:42,180
the sky this is incredible I remember

3438
02:37:47,150 --> 02:37:43,979
you telling me about this you know like

3439
02:37:49,010 --> 02:37:47,160
seven years ago yeah and I and I said

3440
02:37:52,550 --> 02:37:49,020
then Pine Mountain Club why isn't it

3441
02:37:54,950 --> 02:37:52,560
being discussed well okay so then two

3442
02:37:57,170 --> 02:37:54,960
three years passed and then you get

3443
02:37:58,730 --> 02:37:57,180
another phone call which is what we were

3444
02:38:01,490 --> 02:37:58,740
talking about right before the break

3445
02:38:03,590 --> 02:38:01,500
what happened yeah it was just a simple

3446
02:38:04,370 --> 02:38:03,600
phone call it was a gal who grew up in

3447
02:38:06,469 --> 02:38:04,380
the town

3448
02:38:07,490 --> 02:38:06,479
she periodically went back to visit her

3449
02:38:09,230 --> 02:38:07,500
mom

3450
02:38:11,150 --> 02:38:09,240
she said she was driving it was late

3451
02:38:13,309 --> 02:38:11,160
around

3452
02:38:15,050 --> 02:38:13,319
12 11 I don't know I don't remember

3453
02:38:16,429 --> 02:38:15,060
exactly but it was late you know not a

3454
02:38:18,830 --> 02:38:16,439
lot of cars on the road

3455
02:38:21,469 --> 02:38:18,840
and as she was you know coming up the

3456
02:38:23,929 --> 02:38:21,479
Grapevine the five right to get ready to

3457
02:38:25,910 --> 02:38:23,939
turn off towards Pine Mountain she said

3458
02:38:29,030 --> 02:38:25,920
the entire town

3459
02:38:31,670 --> 02:38:29,040
was lit up like it was Daylight

3460
02:38:34,849 --> 02:38:31,680
she she goes I couldn't see the source

3461
02:38:38,210 --> 02:38:34,859
of the light but the entire town

3462
02:38:41,929 --> 02:38:38,220
was lit in daylight

3463
02:38:43,309 --> 02:38:41,939
and she was you know just in awe and

3464
02:38:44,929 --> 02:38:43,319
then the light went out

3465
02:38:46,730 --> 02:38:44,939
you know after a few seconds the light

3466
02:38:48,889 --> 02:38:46,740
just disappeared and she was back in the

3467
02:38:51,290 --> 02:38:48,899
dark driving her car

3468
02:38:54,110 --> 02:38:51,300
so weird stuff happens at Pine Mountain

3469
02:38:56,750 --> 02:38:54,120
and as you know there's Pine Mountain

3470
02:38:58,969 --> 02:38:56,760
uh just above it is Pine Mountain where

3471
02:39:00,770 --> 02:38:58,979
all the astronomers hang out right so in

3472
02:39:03,290 --> 02:39:00,780
the new on the new moon you can go up to

3473
02:39:05,870 --> 02:39:03,300
Pine Mountain if you and you'll there's

3474
02:39:08,030 --> 02:39:05,880
an array there's one big parking lot

3475
02:39:10,250 --> 02:39:08,040
full of astronomers with their you know

3476
02:39:12,230 --> 02:39:10,260
amateur astronomers with their Scopes I

3477
02:39:15,770 --> 02:39:12,240
mean they have Scopes there the the the

3478
02:39:17,690 --> 02:39:15,780
diameter of a VW Bug and little Scopes

3479
02:39:19,730 --> 02:39:17,700
you know and everybody's very happy to

3480
02:39:22,550 --> 02:39:19,740
to let you look at whatever they're

3481
02:39:23,510 --> 02:39:22,560
looking at so yeah it's it's a place it

3482
02:39:25,309 --> 02:39:23,520
was

3483
02:39:28,550 --> 02:39:25,319
um Pine Mountain

3484
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:28,560
was allegedly the center or starting

3485
02:39:33,830 --> 02:39:30,720
point of the Chumash Nation

3486
02:39:35,809 --> 02:39:33,840
so the Chumash believed that they came

3487
02:39:38,090 --> 02:39:35,819
from the sky this is you know I'm

3488
02:39:40,790 --> 02:39:38,100
paraphrasing their lore which is

3489
02:39:42,050 --> 02:39:40,800
terrible but uh one of the one of the

3490
02:39:44,510 --> 02:39:42,060
reason I'm telling you this story is

3491
02:39:46,250 --> 02:39:44,520
because in that Cafe when we met the

3492
02:39:48,410 --> 02:39:46,260
yoga instructor and all that we also

3493
02:39:51,170 --> 02:39:48,420
there was an elder there there was a

3494
02:39:52,550 --> 02:39:51,180
Chumash Elder there and he told us once

3495
02:39:55,550 --> 02:39:52,560
he heard the stories that they were

3496
02:39:57,590 --> 02:39:55,560
relaying told us the story of how they

3497
02:39:58,849 --> 02:39:57,600
have a a ceremony there I think on the

3498
02:40:03,469 --> 02:39:58,859
equinox

3499
02:40:06,050 --> 02:40:03,479
and um they kind of like pray to the sky

3500
02:40:08,929 --> 02:40:06,060
they believe that they you know the

3501
02:40:10,910 --> 02:40:08,939
original bear Brethren's eagle and all

3502
02:40:13,370 --> 02:40:10,920
that came from the sky there that's

3503
02:40:14,690 --> 02:40:13,380
where the Chumash people began at the

3504
02:40:16,969 --> 02:40:14,700
top of Pine Mountain

3505
02:40:19,190 --> 02:40:16,979
so there's a lot of lore around that

3506
02:40:22,490 --> 02:40:19,200
area and it's just like you said it's

3507
02:40:24,950 --> 02:40:22,500
only 60 miles or so outside of la oh no

3508
02:40:28,250 --> 02:40:24,960
I'll never forget uh you know the way it

3509
02:40:31,969 --> 02:40:28,260
went down for me uh you know for me to

3510
02:40:34,730 --> 02:40:31,979
be up there and just randomly uh say

3511
02:40:38,330 --> 02:40:34,740
with a group of people yeah that's right

3512
02:40:41,330 --> 02:40:38,340
you guys had a UFO sighting and they and

3513
02:40:44,510 --> 02:40:41,340
they all knew they go it landed right

3514
02:40:46,490 --> 02:40:44,520
there and this is this is something that

3515
02:40:48,950 --> 02:40:46,500
the entire town knows about and I think

3516
02:40:52,190 --> 02:40:48,960
that the rest of the world uh really

3517
02:40:55,670 --> 02:40:52,200
needs to know about cases like this yeah

3518
02:40:57,889 --> 02:40:55,680
now um I want to shift gears uh for a

3519
02:41:00,530 --> 02:40:57,899
minute because you brought up

3520
02:41:02,870 --> 02:41:00,540
Consciousness and the connection uh

3521
02:41:05,210 --> 02:41:02,880
between E.T and us and I don't think

3522
02:41:06,710 --> 02:41:05,220
there's any question I don't know how

3523
02:41:09,110 --> 02:41:06,720
many nights you and I have been out

3524
02:41:11,450 --> 02:41:09,120
there in the dark and I get loud and

3525
02:41:14,630 --> 02:41:11,460
stupid and and start cracking jokes and

3526
02:41:18,050 --> 02:41:14,640
we got Van Halen uh you know blaring and

3527
02:41:22,250 --> 02:41:18,060
and and I go okay let's go and then

3528
02:41:24,050 --> 02:41:22,260
something crazy happens above us and and

3529
02:41:27,230 --> 02:41:24,060
I don't think that that is coincidence

3530
02:41:30,830 --> 02:41:27,240
you know and and I believe that but you

3531
02:41:33,410 --> 02:41:30,840
said to me one day

3532
02:41:35,269 --> 02:41:33,420
um uh we were I don't even you know what

3533
02:41:39,290 --> 02:41:35,279
I don't even know if you'll remember

3534
02:41:42,469 --> 02:41:39,300
where we were but we were somewhere in

3535
02:41:46,550 --> 02:41:42,479
the country I can't remember where but

3536
02:41:47,570 --> 02:41:46,560
uh and we were talking and this was at

3537
02:41:50,630 --> 02:41:47,580
night

3538
02:41:53,389 --> 02:41:50,640
and you said and I want you to relay the

3539
02:41:55,309 --> 02:41:53,399
story but you said to me Jimmy so I was

3540
02:41:58,309 --> 02:41:55,319
at a party and we were getting ready to

3541
02:41:59,929 --> 02:41:58,319
go do a sky watch and somebody told me

3542
02:42:04,610 --> 02:41:59,939
that they could

3543
02:42:06,769 --> 02:42:04,620
flash UFOs with uh with a laser and that

3544
02:42:08,570 --> 02:42:06,779
they'll flash back and talk to you and I

3545
02:42:11,870 --> 02:42:08,580
I called BS

3546
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:11,880
and you said you went out that night and

3547
02:42:19,790 --> 02:42:14,640
and this person said okay

3548
02:42:22,849 --> 02:42:19,800
see that right there yeah you said

3549
02:42:25,670 --> 02:42:22,859
it was Sandra Sandra Marsh yeah she was

3550
02:42:28,130 --> 02:42:25,680
one of our when I joined mufon you know

3551
02:42:30,469 --> 02:42:28,140
when I first got into mufon she was the

3552
02:42:31,969 --> 02:42:30,479
person in charge of

3553
02:42:35,150 --> 02:42:31,979
um organizing the speakers bringing

3554
02:42:37,610 --> 02:42:35,160
speakers in and Sandra was uh psychic

3555
02:42:39,290 --> 02:42:37,620
and a contactee right of course I didn't

3556
02:42:42,130 --> 02:42:39,300
know what that was back then but she had

3557
02:42:46,130 --> 02:42:42,140
all the earmarks of it right

3558
02:42:47,990 --> 02:42:46,140
she could she she would lead uh you know

3559
02:42:48,830 --> 02:42:48,000
Sky watches out in the desert and Joshua

3560
02:42:53,210 --> 02:42:48,840
Tree

3561
02:42:54,650 --> 02:42:53,220
and she let us uh so after my event I

3562
02:42:56,210 --> 02:42:54,660
said hey we should organize one of these

3563
02:42:58,610 --> 02:42:56,220
trips out to the desert and see if this

3564
02:43:01,190 --> 02:42:58,620
is all real if you can if if people can

3565
02:43:04,730 --> 02:43:01,200
actually cause the phenomena

3566
02:43:06,170 --> 02:43:04,740
and uh I you know I I cajoled her and I

3567
02:43:08,210 --> 02:43:06,180
convinced her and finally we we

3568
02:43:08,929 --> 02:43:08,220
organized it we had about 30 people come

3569
02:43:11,450 --> 02:43:08,939
out

3570
02:43:13,969 --> 02:43:11,460
and we all stood in the middle of uh on

3571
02:43:15,349 --> 02:43:13,979
this little Mound middle of uh Joshua

3572
02:43:17,690 --> 02:43:15,359
Tree

3573
02:43:19,969 --> 02:43:17,700
um you know and and stood there all

3574
02:43:21,950 --> 02:43:19,979
night and she kept saying they're right

3575
02:43:23,690 --> 02:43:21,960
there and she'd point in this one little

3576
02:43:25,730 --> 02:43:23,700
spot they're right there they've been

3577
02:43:28,990 --> 02:43:25,740
watching us all night and I'm thinking

3578
02:43:31,610 --> 02:43:29,000
this is nonsense man whatever

3579
02:43:33,710 --> 02:43:31,620
Saunders just Saunders just like this

3580
02:43:35,870 --> 02:43:33,720
psychic you know and they're right there

3581
02:43:38,990 --> 02:43:35,880
okay and they'll never show up

3582
02:43:40,730 --> 02:43:39,000
so also this dude standing next to me

3583
02:43:43,610 --> 02:43:40,740
and he's got that laser right he's got

3584
02:43:46,010 --> 02:43:43,620
that little LED thing and he goes whoa I

3585
02:43:48,170 --> 02:43:46,020
just got flashed I go what

3586
02:43:49,969 --> 02:43:48,180
he goes I just got flash right there and

3587
02:43:51,710 --> 02:43:49,979
he points to the and it's right where

3588
02:43:53,389 --> 02:43:51,720
she was pointing all night that's now

3589
02:43:55,730 --> 02:43:53,399
about three in the morning I go what are

3590
02:43:57,950 --> 02:43:55,740
you talking about he's watch he flashes

3591
02:43:59,870 --> 02:43:57,960
it once and then this little light goes

3592
02:44:02,870 --> 02:43:59,880
boom and gives him a flash

3593
02:44:05,030 --> 02:44:02,880
I go give it to he goes one two and it

3594
02:44:07,730 --> 02:44:05,040
goes one two

3595
02:44:09,889 --> 02:44:07,740
I go give it three he gives it three and

3596
02:44:11,990 --> 02:44:09,899
now now I'm getting loud everybody's

3597
02:44:14,750 --> 02:44:12,000
getting excited and

3598
02:44:16,429 --> 02:44:14,760
um this thing that was sitting there all

3599
02:44:19,309 --> 02:44:16,439
night allegedly right all of a sudden

3600
02:44:21,469 --> 02:44:19,319
gets super bright and just like super

3601
02:44:23,510 --> 02:44:21,479
bright as it gets so bright that it

3602
02:44:26,450 --> 02:44:23,520
looks like it's coming down on us

3603
02:44:27,710 --> 02:44:26,460
and everybody starts getting excited and

3604
02:44:30,349 --> 02:44:27,720
screaming and some people are getting

3605
02:44:31,790 --> 02:44:30,359
scared and then as as that guy as

3606
02:44:33,469 --> 02:44:31,800
everybody got really glad it went back

3607
02:44:36,410 --> 02:44:33,479
to a pinpoint of light

3608
02:44:38,630 --> 02:44:36,420
and then moved across the sky maybe an

3609
02:44:39,889 --> 02:44:38,640
arc of uh I don't know 90 degrees or

3610
02:44:43,010 --> 02:44:39,899
something and move to another part of

3611
02:44:45,769 --> 02:44:43,020
the sky and joined two others

3612
02:44:49,190 --> 02:44:45,779
in a perfect triangular formation and

3613
02:44:50,450 --> 02:44:49,200
then they rotated about the axis and

3614
02:44:51,710 --> 02:44:50,460
then they kind of got Tighter and

3615
02:44:52,849 --> 02:44:51,720
Tighter and smaller and smaller and

3616
02:44:54,230 --> 02:44:52,859
dimmer and dimmer and dimmer and they

3617
02:44:56,809 --> 02:44:54,240
just faded away

3618
02:44:58,610 --> 02:44:56,819
and that was my first controlled what

3619
02:44:59,809 --> 02:44:58,620
I'll call a controlled experience you

3620
02:45:02,389 --> 02:44:59,819
know what I mean we're what do you call

3621
02:45:03,889 --> 02:45:02,399
it a ce5 or what have you

3622
02:45:05,510 --> 02:45:03,899
um and we did that another time with

3623
02:45:07,370 --> 02:45:05,520
Sandra and she also did other weird

3624
02:45:09,769 --> 02:45:07,380
things like she taught us all how to uh

3625
02:45:11,929 --> 02:45:09,779
bend spoons or Ben you know she brought

3626
02:45:15,110 --> 02:45:11,939
a bunch of old silverware or like tin

3627
02:45:18,230 --> 02:45:15,120
wear and she kind of had us all in a

3628
02:45:19,550 --> 02:45:18,240
group and you know just had us rubbing

3629
02:45:21,469 --> 02:45:19,560
the metal but not bending it just

3630
02:45:23,690 --> 02:45:21,479
rubbing it and I'm thinking this is

3631
02:45:25,070 --> 02:45:23,700
freaking nonsense you know whatever we

3632
02:45:26,809 --> 02:45:25,080
were killing time in the day right

3633
02:45:27,950 --> 02:45:26,819
before you know before the next sky

3634
02:45:29,990 --> 02:45:27,960
watch night

3635
02:45:31,610 --> 02:45:30,000
and she was take leading us on these

3636
02:45:33,830 --> 02:45:31,620
little Journeys and meditations and

3637
02:45:36,410 --> 02:45:33,840
stuff and I'm rubbing my fork and sure

3638
02:45:38,210 --> 02:45:36,420
enough it droops over my finger like uh

3639
02:45:39,590 --> 02:45:38,220
like a piece I don't know like a piece

3640
02:45:40,849 --> 02:45:39,600
of rubber or something also just goes

3641
02:45:42,040 --> 02:45:40,859
wow

3642
02:45:43,969 --> 02:45:42,050
I'm like what

3643
02:45:45,889 --> 02:45:43,979
[Laughter]

3644
02:45:47,990 --> 02:45:45,899
and other people were twisting them I

3645
02:45:51,050 --> 02:45:48,000
mean somebody had one where the prongs

3646
02:45:53,450 --> 02:45:51,060
of the fork were like rolling up

3647
02:45:55,190 --> 02:45:53,460
and I mean like this is weird stuff man

3648
02:45:56,929 --> 02:45:55,200
I've never you know like it's not my

3649
02:45:58,610 --> 02:45:56,939
background I'm not from that world and

3650
02:46:02,150 --> 02:45:58,620
all of a sudden I'm in it

3651
02:46:06,010 --> 02:46:02,160
yeah and uh everybody Steve is a former

3652
02:46:09,230 --> 02:46:06,020
fighter pilot for the Marines

3653
02:46:11,630 --> 02:46:09,240
spoons and contacting aliens with LEDs

3654
02:46:15,670 --> 02:46:11,640
and I remember uh you know you sound

3655
02:46:19,130 --> 02:46:15,680
crazy and I love it but here's the thing

3656
02:46:21,950 --> 02:46:19,140
when he told me that story about the LED

3657
02:46:24,530 --> 02:46:21,960
right and you were like no Jimmy Jimmy

3658
02:46:28,250 --> 02:46:24,540
I'm being serious I was going come on

3659
02:46:31,610 --> 02:46:28,260
man you're like Jimmy no you don't get

3660
02:46:34,070 --> 02:46:31,620
it so then we went out and I I saw it

3661
02:46:37,130 --> 02:46:34,080
for myself I did it for my and then and

3662
02:46:40,309 --> 02:46:37,140
and I wasn't buying it either just like

3663
02:46:47,410 --> 02:46:40,319
you weren't buying it today what are you

3664
02:46:55,429 --> 02:46:50,150
it's not that I'm convinced

3665
02:46:57,889 --> 02:46:55,439
it's fun to do yeah it's a reality that

3666
02:47:00,590 --> 02:46:57,899
um I don't know Steve I mean I don't

3667
02:47:03,830 --> 02:47:00,600
give a crap anymore I understand my

3668
02:47:05,269 --> 02:47:03,840
position in the media and and things

3669
02:47:07,309 --> 02:47:05,279
um but I'm not worried about my

3670
02:47:09,790 --> 02:47:07,319
reputation I'm already out of the closet

3671
02:47:14,330 --> 02:47:09,800
with this thing and and and I don't care

3672
02:47:17,870 --> 02:47:14,340
but do you honestly believe

3673
02:47:20,450 --> 02:47:17,880
that somebody like you know Wolf Blitzer

3674
02:47:24,290 --> 02:47:20,460
right or you know some big media

3675
02:47:26,809 --> 02:47:24,300
personality from you know Tucker right

3676
02:47:29,809 --> 02:47:26,819
um Sean Hannity whatever I don't care

3677
02:47:32,929 --> 02:47:29,819
who you who's that the the chick with

3678
02:47:34,429 --> 02:47:32,939
the hair from MSNBC I don't know I don't

3679
02:47:37,190 --> 02:47:34,439
watch it when Laura Ingram I'm thinking

3680
02:47:39,410 --> 02:47:37,200
of the other yeah the one that's on at

3681
02:47:40,730 --> 02:47:39,420
night uh I can't think of her name but

3682
02:47:43,309 --> 02:47:40,740
anyway

3683
02:47:48,590 --> 02:47:43,319
um you know any one of those uh Talking

3684
02:47:50,269 --> 02:47:48,600
Heads if they went out and and shared

3685
02:47:52,550 --> 02:47:50,279
the experience that we're talking about

3686
02:47:55,870 --> 02:47:52,560
right now and they do the whole thing

3687
02:47:58,370 --> 02:47:55,880
flash flash one two one three right

3688
02:48:00,469 --> 02:47:58,380
things are moving things are winking

3689
02:48:03,230 --> 02:48:00,479
things are happening do they go on the

3690
02:48:06,110 --> 02:48:03,240
air the next day and talk about it nope

3691
02:48:08,150 --> 02:48:06,120
no no of course not of course not

3692
02:48:09,590 --> 02:48:08,160
they've been not programmed but you know

3693
02:48:11,150 --> 02:48:09,600
their whole lives they've been taught

3694
02:48:13,429 --> 02:48:11,160
not to believe in that stuff so it can't

3695
02:48:14,510 --> 02:48:13,439
exist even though it happened

3696
02:48:17,210 --> 02:48:14,520
um

3697
02:48:19,010 --> 02:48:17,220
but I think that that's part of this

3698
02:48:22,610 --> 02:48:19,020
Evolution this Consciousness Evolution

3699
02:48:24,469 --> 02:48:22,620
that that goes on it doesn't happen

3700
02:48:26,510 --> 02:48:24,479
to everyone

3701
02:48:28,190 --> 02:48:26,520
to the people that it happens to and

3702
02:48:30,349 --> 02:48:28,200
they they have the profound experience

3703
02:48:31,190 --> 02:48:30,359
they have that connection

3704
02:48:34,309 --> 02:48:31,200
um

3705
02:48:35,809 --> 02:48:34,319
now it becomes a very important I won't

3706
02:48:38,210 --> 02:48:35,819
say the most important but it becomes a

3707
02:48:39,889 --> 02:48:38,220
focal point in their life right

3708
02:48:41,630 --> 02:48:39,899
and then they have to they have to get

3709
02:48:43,849 --> 02:48:41,640
the answers so their Consciousness is

3710
02:48:46,250 --> 02:48:43,859
pried open they have to get the answers

3711
02:48:47,929 --> 02:48:46,260
I mean I you know we used to meet every

3712
02:48:50,750 --> 02:48:47,939
month you know new parts Buffon and then

3713
02:48:52,910 --> 02:48:50,760
you parse at the church there the um you

3714
02:48:54,410 --> 02:48:52,920
know Unitarian Church in Studio City we

3715
02:48:58,490 --> 02:48:54,420
used to meet there every month

3716
02:49:01,190 --> 02:48:58,500
covet happened stop doing it I get calls

3717
02:49:03,349 --> 02:49:01,200
not once maybe at least once a month but

3718
02:49:04,969 --> 02:49:03,359
probably about every other week from

3719
02:49:09,110 --> 02:49:04,979
people who want to bring the meeting

3720
02:49:11,870 --> 02:49:09,120
back not be they want it's not it's the

3721
02:49:14,150 --> 02:49:11,880
connection that they share

3722
02:49:15,590 --> 02:49:14,160
being able to express themselves with

3723
02:49:16,969 --> 02:49:15,600
somebody else who's also had that

3724
02:49:19,429 --> 02:49:16,979
experience

3725
02:49:21,710 --> 02:49:19,439
right that's important to them that

3726
02:49:23,630 --> 02:49:21,720
means something to them it's important

3727
02:49:25,490 --> 02:49:23,640
to have that have somebody they can talk

3728
02:49:27,769 --> 02:49:25,500
to about it because it's so out of the

3729
02:49:29,809 --> 02:49:27,779
ordinary and in the normal world you're

3730
02:49:31,670 --> 02:49:29,819
ridiculed about it you know like you

3731
02:49:35,210 --> 02:49:31,680
know I do real estate right

3732
02:49:36,530 --> 02:49:35,220
I've had literally had people uh you

3733
02:49:38,990 --> 02:49:36,540
know tell you know other other

3734
02:49:42,590 --> 02:49:39,000
colleagues Realtors saying oh yeah you

3735
02:49:45,290 --> 02:49:42,600
believe in UFOs you know so I know I've

3736
02:49:47,269 --> 02:49:45,300
lost business you know in this community

3737
02:49:49,309 --> 02:49:47,279
because of that stuff

3738
02:49:51,170 --> 02:49:49,319
but uh you know it's just a bullet you

3739
02:49:53,030 --> 02:49:51,180
gotta take if you believe in what you're

3740
02:49:55,190 --> 02:49:53,040
doing you know it's the way it is it's

3741
02:49:58,550 --> 02:49:55,200
just the way it is and and and what's

3742
02:50:01,910 --> 02:49:58,560
the future uh for ufology and before I

3743
02:50:04,370 --> 02:50:01,920
ask the the question you know is

3744
02:50:06,469 --> 02:50:04,380
disclosure around the corner you've been

3745
02:50:08,990 --> 02:50:06,479
dealing with disclosures gonna happen

3746
02:50:10,730 --> 02:50:09,000
next year uh you know for the last 20

3747
02:50:12,889 --> 02:50:10,740
years all right we have to wait another

3748
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:12,899
year and wait another year

3749
02:50:17,210 --> 02:50:15,359
um do you think that's still the case

3750
02:50:19,490 --> 02:50:17,220
I think they'll leak out the information

3751
02:50:21,349 --> 02:50:19,500
slowly like I said before I think that

3752
02:50:23,570 --> 02:50:21,359
the the actual people who have the

3753
02:50:26,750 --> 02:50:23,580
important information will control that

3754
02:50:28,790 --> 02:50:26,760
narrative so that it slowly gets leaked

3755
02:50:30,590 --> 02:50:28,800
out over time

3756
02:50:33,170 --> 02:50:30,600
um it's it's like sort of like a you

3757
02:50:35,450 --> 02:50:33,180
know a drip campaign on the public

3758
02:50:37,730 --> 02:50:35,460
Consciousness if you will it's you can't

3759
02:50:39,410 --> 02:50:37,740
do it all at once because they can

3760
02:50:40,550 --> 02:50:39,420
barely handle their own lives you know

3761
02:50:43,309 --> 02:50:40,560
and then all of a sudden you're going to

3762
02:50:46,070 --> 02:50:43,319
tell them uh you know

3763
02:50:48,170 --> 02:50:46,080
these things are real you know people

3764
02:50:50,750 --> 02:50:48,180
have been taken in against their will

3765
02:50:52,790 --> 02:50:50,760
and experimented on and there's this

3766
02:50:54,830 --> 02:50:52,800
whole breeding thing been going on and

3767
02:50:56,990 --> 02:50:54,840
we can't control that we've asked them

3768
02:51:01,030 --> 02:50:57,000
to stop it they won't you know things

3769
02:51:03,650 --> 02:51:01,040
like that that's that stuff is upsetting

3770
02:51:07,910 --> 02:51:03,660
the that's the other part of this though

3771
02:51:12,290 --> 02:51:07,920
we can talk about uh the possibility of

3772
02:51:15,050 --> 02:51:12,300
the Tic Tac being uh an alien you know

3773
02:51:17,330 --> 02:51:15,060
probe or monitor sent here to check us

3774
02:51:20,630 --> 02:51:17,340
out that's pretty easy for people to

3775
02:51:22,849 --> 02:51:20,640
digest right if we if we cross that line

3776
02:51:26,150 --> 02:51:22,859
and that is that you know you know what

3777
02:51:29,570 --> 02:51:26,160
I mean where we cross that line that's a

3778
02:51:31,910 --> 02:51:29,580
big leap but and we have everything else

3779
02:51:34,130 --> 02:51:31,920
that we have to deal with we have to

3780
02:51:37,610 --> 02:51:34,140
deal with the Travis Waltons of the

3781
02:51:39,769 --> 02:51:37,620
world and and the uh abductees and the

3782
02:51:42,830 --> 02:51:39,779
direct experiencers and those that have

3783
02:51:45,650 --> 02:51:42,840
been channeling information uh what

3784
02:51:46,790 --> 02:51:45,660
about uh cattle mutilations and the

3785
02:51:50,030 --> 02:51:46,800
things that lend them all to the house

3786
02:51:52,490 --> 02:51:50,040
been talking favorites that all of this

3787
02:51:54,950 --> 02:51:52,500
stuff is Congress going to call those

3788
02:51:57,490 --> 02:51:54,960
Witnesses are we going to have that with

3789
02:52:00,410 --> 02:51:57,500
the House of Representatives

3790
02:52:02,210 --> 02:52:00,420
they don't even have the Lexicon to deal

3791
02:52:03,290 --> 02:52:02,220
with that information do you know what I

3792
02:52:07,309 --> 02:52:03,300
mean they

3793
02:52:08,750 --> 02:52:07,319
can you imagine having to deal with

3794
02:52:11,269 --> 02:52:08,760
abduction

3795
02:52:14,210 --> 02:52:11,279
that's an upsetting one right

3796
02:52:17,570 --> 02:52:14,220
Congress nobody nobody in Congress has

3797
02:52:20,389 --> 02:52:17,580
any idea how to deal with that right how

3798
02:52:22,250 --> 02:52:20,399
what what even caused that what how do

3799
02:52:24,530 --> 02:52:22,260
you just you know who's responsible for

3800
02:52:27,110 --> 02:52:24,540
it how can we protect our citizens oh we

3801
02:52:29,330 --> 02:52:27,120
can't I mean there's a lot of upsetting

3802
02:52:31,309 --> 02:52:29,340
information in there right cat

3803
02:52:33,769 --> 02:52:31,319
immunization thousands and thousands of

3804
02:52:36,950 --> 02:52:33,779
dollars per head right lost gone

3805
02:52:38,630 --> 02:52:36,960
disappeared you know whatever so yeah

3806
02:52:39,889 --> 02:52:38,640
and all that's being covered up by

3807
02:52:41,929 --> 02:52:39,899
somebody you know these black

3808
02:52:44,450 --> 02:52:41,939
helicopters going by and they know about

3809
02:52:47,630 --> 02:52:44,460
it and they're taking their samples you

3810
02:52:49,730 --> 02:52:47,640
know it's a it's a big deal man so yeah

3811
02:52:51,349 --> 02:52:49,740
they're going to bring it out slowly you

3812
02:52:53,750 --> 02:52:51,359
know first first you got to get them

3813
02:52:55,010 --> 02:52:53,760
used to the objects themselves they they

3814
02:52:57,349 --> 02:52:55,020
exist

3815
02:52:59,630 --> 02:52:57,359
then you have to deal with maybe they're

3816
02:53:02,690 --> 02:52:59,640
inhabited maybe they're not right and

3817
02:53:05,150 --> 02:53:02,700
this is going to take time time I don't

3818
02:53:07,550 --> 02:53:05,160
so disclosure full disclosure is drip

3819
02:53:09,349 --> 02:53:07,560
campaign it's not a it's not a shotgun

3820
02:53:10,309 --> 02:53:09,359
you know it's going to be a little drip

3821
02:53:12,469 --> 02:53:10,319
campaign

3822
02:53:16,190 --> 02:53:12,479
there's one in my opinion I could be

3823
02:53:17,210 --> 02:53:16,200
totally wrong yeah well you you might be

3824
02:53:19,429 --> 02:53:17,220
right

3825
02:53:22,250 --> 02:53:19,439
but then there's something that may be

3826
02:53:24,349 --> 02:53:22,260
out of the government's uh control and

3827
02:53:27,950 --> 02:53:24,359
purview and that's somebody like Avi

3828
02:53:31,790 --> 02:53:27,960
Loeb you know that is is is running the

3829
02:53:35,210 --> 02:53:31,800
Galileo project right now and his book

3830
02:53:36,830 --> 02:53:35,220
extraterrestrial about omuamua is that's

3831
02:53:38,090 --> 02:53:36,840
that's a real game change I can't tell

3832
02:53:41,269 --> 02:53:38,100
you how many times I've read the book

3833
02:53:43,910 --> 02:53:41,279
yeah but somebody like that who is a

3834
02:53:46,130 --> 02:53:43,920
force he's intelligent he's an

3835
02:53:50,510 --> 02:53:46,140
astrophysicist

3836
02:53:53,750 --> 02:53:50,520
um he's uh tenured at at Harvard since

3837
02:53:55,849 --> 02:53:53,760
93 90. that's been there forever he

3838
02:53:58,730 --> 02:53:55,859
chair he was the director of the black

3839
02:54:02,570 --> 02:53:58,740
hole you know it's so no that dude is

3840
02:54:05,510 --> 02:54:02,580
off the charts intelligent yeah right so

3841
02:54:07,250 --> 02:54:05,520
if he you know outside of the

3842
02:54:10,010 --> 02:54:07,260
government's control it's like the movie

3843
02:54:13,790 --> 02:54:10,020
contact right where he comes out and

3844
02:54:15,530 --> 02:54:13,800
says hey we've just imaged this because

3845
02:54:17,809 --> 02:54:15,540
that's what he wants to do he wants to

3846
02:54:19,610 --> 02:54:17,819
image something in the atmosphere fear

3847
02:54:23,950 --> 02:54:19,620
and collect the data and see what's

3848
02:54:27,550 --> 02:54:23,960
going on if he if he takes that step

3849
02:54:31,389 --> 02:54:27,560
then everything is on the table right

3850
02:54:35,690 --> 02:54:31,399
abductees contact uh visitation with

3851
02:54:37,690 --> 02:54:35,700
everything is going to be outside of the

3852
02:54:39,889 --> 02:54:37,700
government's control at that point

3853
02:54:41,870 --> 02:54:39,899
yeah it'll be on the table for

3854
02:54:44,690 --> 02:54:41,880
discussion right

3855
02:54:47,929 --> 02:54:44,700
so yeah yeah it's exciting times man I

3856
02:54:49,610 --> 02:54:47,939
mean I think uh December 2017 was a big

3857
02:54:52,190 --> 02:54:49,620
deal you know when the New York Times

3858
02:54:54,050 --> 02:54:52,200
published that article

3859
02:54:56,570 --> 02:54:54,060
um on the Tic Tac yeah that was a big

3860
02:54:57,830 --> 02:54:56,580
deal that was a big First Step I'll call

3861
02:55:00,170 --> 02:54:57,840
it a first step it was you know second

3862
02:55:01,849 --> 02:55:00,180
or third step but it was a big step

3863
02:55:03,170 --> 02:55:01,859
and you know that had been vetted that

3864
02:55:04,730 --> 02:55:03,180
story had been vetted by their legal

3865
02:55:07,130 --> 02:55:04,740
department I mean they went through they

3866
02:55:08,510 --> 02:55:07,140
went through a lot of work before they

3867
02:55:10,370 --> 02:55:08,520
released that thing

3868
02:55:12,290 --> 02:55:10,380
and that was on of course out of

3869
02:55:13,849 --> 02:55:12,300
position I was in Jamaica I remember

3870
02:55:16,670 --> 02:55:13,859
when that was released I was in Jamaica

3871
02:55:19,250 --> 02:55:16,680
with my wife we were doing a sandals uh

3872
02:55:22,130 --> 02:55:19,260
thing you know it was nice but I was

3873
02:55:29,650 --> 02:55:22,140
like damn here I am with no you know no

3874
02:55:34,910 --> 02:55:33,110
one last thing uh before uh we say good

3875
02:55:37,670 --> 02:55:34,920
night man it's been two years since

3876
02:55:40,490 --> 02:55:37,680
you've been on the show and uh we won't

3877
02:55:42,349 --> 02:55:40,500
do this again we will uh we won't wait

3878
02:55:43,330 --> 02:55:42,359
two years but

3879
02:55:47,210 --> 02:55:43,340
um

3880
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:47,220
representative Tim burchett after the

3881
02:55:54,050 --> 02:55:51,359
hearing uh back on May 17th

3882
02:55:57,110 --> 02:55:54,060
um lost it in front of the media while

3883
02:55:59,750 --> 02:55:57,120
the cameras were rolling now Burchette

3884
02:56:03,830 --> 02:55:59,760
wasn't part of the committee he was an

3885
02:56:07,429 --> 02:56:03,840
audience member all right but after the

3886
02:56:10,309 --> 02:56:07,439
hearing was done he lets loose uh in

3887
02:56:16,849 --> 02:56:10,319
front of the media calling the hearing a

3888
02:56:21,050 --> 02:56:16,859
sham and said that uh that the American

3889
02:56:25,190 --> 02:56:21,060
public has been lied to by our

3890
02:56:28,010 --> 02:56:25,200
government and this has to end and it

3891
02:56:29,690 --> 02:56:28,020
has to end now that was one of the most

3892
02:56:33,410 --> 02:56:29,700
dramatic things I've heard from an

3893
02:56:36,370 --> 02:56:33,420
elected public official maybe as an ever

3894
02:56:38,630 --> 02:56:36,380
yeah was he right in saying that

3895
02:56:40,730 --> 02:56:38,640
absolutely was yeah

3896
02:56:42,830 --> 02:56:40,740
yeah you know you have to step on some

3897
02:56:45,170 --> 02:56:42,840
toes to get some attention sometimes you

3898
02:56:47,809 --> 02:56:45,180
know unless you make it painful

3899
02:56:49,070 --> 02:56:47,819
some in some way painful or costly to to

3900
02:56:51,710 --> 02:56:49,080
the side that's controlling information

3901
02:56:53,690 --> 02:56:51,720
it's going to continue as it is so yeah

3902
02:56:55,550 --> 02:56:53,700
he has people like him have to step out

3903
02:56:58,910 --> 02:56:55,560
and and put their feet to the fire

3904
02:57:02,090 --> 02:56:58,920
absolutely absolutely uh whether

3905
02:57:05,090 --> 02:57:02,100
um you think that the hearing was great

3906
02:57:08,450 --> 02:57:05,100
or it wasn't it doesn't matter

3907
02:57:10,309 --> 02:57:08,460
the hearing happened yeah and there's

3908
02:57:11,750 --> 02:57:10,319
always got to be the first one and no

3909
02:57:13,429 --> 02:57:11,760
matter what

3910
02:57:16,010 --> 02:57:13,439
they could have disclosed they could

3911
02:57:18,889 --> 02:57:16,020
have done everything but you we can't

3912
02:57:22,130 --> 02:57:18,899
even be happy with that we can't let

3913
02:57:24,290 --> 02:57:22,140
them know that everything's okay because

3914
02:57:27,050 --> 02:57:24,300
then there won't be a next hearing right

3915
02:57:29,690 --> 02:57:27,060
right we need the timber Chets of the

3916
02:57:32,330 --> 02:57:29,700
world uh to do just what you're saying

3917
02:57:34,969 --> 02:57:32,340
right to be very vocal about this so

3918
02:57:36,950 --> 02:57:34,979
this can continue and that's why that

3919
02:57:39,349 --> 02:57:36,960
hearing to me was so important

3920
02:57:41,630 --> 02:57:39,359
uh I'm with you 100 percent

3921
02:57:43,550 --> 02:57:41,640
so what's up with you pars

3922
02:57:44,929 --> 02:57:43,560
well hey we haven't had a meeting in a

3923
02:57:47,690 --> 02:57:44,939
long time and like I said I keep getting

3924
02:57:49,790 --> 02:57:47,700
these phone calls so I'm seriously

3925
02:57:51,170 --> 02:57:49,800
considering uh starting it up again and

3926
02:57:53,090 --> 02:57:51,180
I called the church

3927
02:57:55,849 --> 02:57:53,100
last week and they have the spot

3928
02:57:57,290 --> 02:57:55,859
available now it wasn't available before

3929
02:57:58,610 --> 02:57:57,300
so yeah

3930
02:58:01,130 --> 02:57:58,620
um we're probably going to go back to

3931
02:58:02,870 --> 02:58:01,140
the meetings and uh I think we'll uh you

3932
02:58:05,570 --> 02:58:02,880
know we'll start out small

3933
02:58:08,050 --> 02:58:05,580
um hey I'd love to get your speaker list

3934
02:58:10,670 --> 02:58:08,060
sometime Jimmy

3935
02:58:12,889 --> 02:58:10,680
it was funny when I started Fade to

3936
02:58:15,849 --> 02:58:12,899
Black I went to Steve and I said I need

3937
02:58:19,670 --> 02:58:15,859
your speaker list

3938
02:58:21,349 --> 02:58:19,680
Manhattan Times changed how the hell the

3939
02:58:23,389 --> 02:58:21,359
coin is flipped hey you know what though

3940
02:58:27,170 --> 02:58:23,399
uh I'll come out there and kick off you

3941
02:58:32,510 --> 02:58:27,180
pars let's be awesome that's poetic

3942
02:58:35,269 --> 02:58:32,520
and uh and and and and do it last time I

3943
02:58:37,490 --> 02:58:35,279
I I I surprised myself we we had a

3944
02:58:39,950 --> 02:58:37,500
packed house we did yeah we had a blast

3945
02:58:40,790 --> 02:58:39,960
too it was it was you did the show from

3946
02:58:43,309 --> 02:58:40,800
there

3947
02:58:45,590 --> 02:58:43,319
no that was no we did that the first

3948
02:58:47,690 --> 02:58:45,600
time the second time and we've done that

3949
02:58:48,830 --> 02:58:47,700
a couple of times no the last time I

3950
02:58:50,510 --> 02:58:48,840
just spoke

3951
02:58:53,210 --> 02:58:50,520
uh well that's right you gave the

3952
02:58:56,030 --> 02:58:53,220
presentation that's right yeah I can't

3953
02:58:57,650 --> 02:58:56,040
remember what I spoke about but uh I

3954
02:58:59,269 --> 02:58:57,660
don't think anybody cared we were just

3955
02:59:02,090 --> 02:58:59,279
there having a party

3956
02:59:04,309 --> 02:59:02,100
um but it was full so let's uh yeah yeah

3957
02:59:07,910 --> 02:59:04,319
I'll do it let's kick this thing off and

3958
02:59:10,610 --> 02:59:07,920
uh and uh let's do it I'm all right I'm

3959
02:59:13,969 --> 02:59:10,620
down I'm down all right okay okay you

3960
02:59:16,969 --> 02:59:13,979
don't even have to call my agent hahaha

3961
02:59:18,590 --> 02:59:16,979
Steve Morello you're the absolute very

3962
02:59:21,830 --> 02:59:18,600
best I can't wait to get you and Pat

3963
02:59:24,650 --> 02:59:21,840
back out here I'm going to uh cook you

3964
02:59:27,530 --> 02:59:24,660
uh My Fabulous uh shrimp scampi Lisa

3965
02:59:29,990 --> 02:59:27,540
Reed told me to tell you hi tell her I

3966
02:59:31,670 --> 02:59:30,000
said hi and uh Hey first of all I

3967
02:59:33,889 --> 02:59:31,680
appreciate you having me back on Jimmy I

3968
02:59:35,510 --> 02:59:33,899
want to thank you for that also uh

3969
02:59:38,450 --> 02:59:35,520
personally I want to thank all the fader

3970
02:59:41,030 --> 02:59:38,460
knots out there for being such staunch

3971
02:59:44,750 --> 02:59:41,040
report uh supporters of your show

3972
02:59:46,610 --> 02:59:44,760
and I think um it it's it's a big deal

3973
02:59:49,429 --> 02:59:46,620
you guys that are out there listening

3974
02:59:50,929 --> 02:59:49,439
that support Jimmy in the show and and

3975
02:59:52,429 --> 02:59:50,939
you know I think it's just a really

3976
02:59:54,290 --> 02:59:52,439
really big deal and I'm really happy to

3977
02:59:56,929 --> 02:59:54,300
see it every time I listen to your show

3978
02:59:59,809 --> 02:59:56,939
I'm just in awe of the fader knots so

3979
03:00:03,050 --> 02:59:59,819
good job guys it was all your idea yeah

3980
03:00:08,570 --> 03:00:03,060
sure it was yeah exactly at least I've

3981
03:00:14,570 --> 03:00:11,510
Steve you're the absolute very best uh

3982
03:00:17,510 --> 03:00:14,580
yes let's do uh the upars uh reading

3983
03:00:19,070 --> 03:00:17,520
that'd be great opening a lot of fun

3984
03:00:21,950 --> 03:00:19,080
let's do it and uh we'll make that

3985
03:00:24,889 --> 03:00:21,960
happen in the meantime get home to Pat

3986
03:00:26,809 --> 03:00:24,899
tell her I said yo and say hello to the

3987
03:00:28,309 --> 03:00:26,819
dogs for me okay all right Jimmy thank

3988
03:00:31,250 --> 03:00:28,319
you man take care have a great evening

3989
03:00:35,389 --> 03:00:31,260
it's Steve Morello the absolute very

3990
03:00:38,809 --> 03:00:35,399
best we just went pulled a pole Bumper

3991
03:00:41,570 --> 03:00:38,819
to Bumper beginning to end to and fro

3992
03:00:43,690 --> 03:00:41,580
and that's what I expect from Steve

3993
03:00:46,370 --> 03:00:43,700
Murillo he's the absolute very best

3994
03:00:48,590 --> 03:00:46,380
thank you so much Steve Steve stay right

3995
03:00:50,870 --> 03:00:48,600
there I'll come back in and say good

3996
03:00:53,290 --> 03:00:50,880
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3997
03:00:55,849 --> 03:00:53,300
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03:01:04,790 --> 03:01:02,600
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4012
03:01:34,190 --> 03:01:31,040
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4013
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4014
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